Hi Beth, Actually, if the training program were done correctly for the new modern optacon, you wouldn't need a second product. Typical print letters and symbols come in so many forms these days, the best that anybody can do is learn the general shapes available. These could be rendered tactually for people to learn or to refer to. It doesn't need to interfere or add anything to the realtime optaconthat everone seems to want. Catherine ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -Catherine Thomas braille@xxxxxxxxx / ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe at any time, just send a message to: optacon-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" (without the quotes) in the message subject. Tell your friends about the list. They can subscribe by sending a message to: optacon-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "subscribe" (without the quotes) in the message subject.