Hi Steve, The problem I have with handwriting is that people form their letters so differently. Some have extra loops on letters and some make very plain letters. But, that's not all. There are some people who form letters well and some who sort of stretch them out. It's difficult for many sighted people to read handwriting, even though they do it all the time. I have, on occasion, been able to read a few short notes, if the handwriting is very clear. But, it also seems that the longer a person writes, the less clear their writing becomes. When I have been able to recognize the letters, in the beginning of a note, I often find that after a few lines, I can no longer recognize the letters and words. Cindy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve" <k8sp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <optacon-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 2:23 PM Subject: Re: Modern Optacon Beth, I would suspect that a majority of Optacon users, like myself, have been blind from birth. It isn't really that difficult to learn upper and lower case print. The hard thing for me is handwriting recognition, which I stilll can't do. The only thing I've been able to accomplish is reading notes, as long as the writer hand prints it rather than writing in cursive. This inability to recognize handwriting is purely a personal shortcoming, as the Optacon picks it up fairly well as long as there is enough color contrast. Part of the beauty of the Optacon is there is no conversion to another format, whether it be Braillle or synthetic speech. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "beth" <fb-oe@xxxxxxx> To: <optacon-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 8:36 AM Subject: Modern Optacon What you guys are suggesting assumes knowledge of print. For those of us who have been blind from birth and who never learned print, something like what is being worked on now--which will give Braille--would be necessary. So, we need both fronts worked on. Beth To unsubscribe at any time, just send a message to: optacon-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" (without the quotes) in the message subject. Tell your friends about the list. They can subscribe by sending a message to: optacon-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "subscribe" (without the quotes) in the message subject. To unsubscribe at any time, just send a message to: optacon-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" (without the quotes) in the message subject. Tell your friends about the list. They can subscribe by sending a message to: optacon-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "subscribe" (without the quotes) in the message subject. To unsubscribe at any time, just send a message to: optacon-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" (without the quotes) in the message subject. Tell your friends about the list. They can subscribe by sending a message to: optacon-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "subscribe" (without the quotes) in the message subject.