It is not, nor should it be conceived of, nor does it position itself as a replacement for nor analog to an Optacon. You're comparing apples and oranges when you attempt to compare the functionality of an analog image information access device such as the Optacon, to an OCR solution, whether it be K1000, OpenBook, or the KT/NFB Reader. The former device type depends solely on the capabilities of a hopefully well-trained human to scan with the camera, feel and interpolate whatever type of graphical information is under the camera. The later type of device depends upon algorithms and lookup tables to detarmine what linearly oriented text is present in the image presented to the OCR engine, and to determine which regions/segments of the page should be sent to the speech synthesizer/or braille display. Come on people, can't even we Optacon user's think clearly about the differences in design philosophies, goals of, niches for, and technologies being used by a plethora of potentially useful devices in the arsenal of an independent blind person? To what end the absurdly useless and irrational positing that device or software A is "better than or best" as contrasted with device B? Nick On Fri, 7 Jul 2006 09:22:58 -0400 (EDT), Catherine Thomas wrote: Personally, I don't want anything else speaking at me. As Mry mentioned, some of us can't hear all that well, if at all. As to the controls for testing, it's well-known that the pages used for exhibiting these devices are flawless. The only true control test for an Optacon user would be reading the same material with the Optacon and with this other device. All of us who have used the Optacon to re-examine scanned documents can testify to the fact that there is often missing text, layouts which are interpreted incorrectly, (two columns hopelessly combined for example), and layouts that are just not clear in speech--we won't even discuss pronunciation. In our work these past twelve weeks we have isolated many uses of the Optacon that can't be replicated by other current devices. If this new camera can scan round things, that's great. If this particular type of camera can fit into tiny places, which is one of our big wishes, maybe can borrow its design. I still want and need an Optacon. This thing sounds like all the other things I've read about over past years. It's still not what I want. Catherine ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -Catherine Thomas braille@xxxxxxxxx / ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe at any time, just send a message to: optacon-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" (without the quotes) in the message subject. Tell your friends about the list. They can subscribe by sending a message to: optacon-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "subscribe" (without the quotes) in the message subject. To unsubscribe at any time, just send a message to: optacon-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" (without the quotes) in the message subject. Tell your friends about the list. They can subscribe by sending a message to: optacon-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "subscribe" (without the quotes) in the message subject.