A lot of amateurs can make APCP, but I would not call it an amateur propellant. HTPB binders were pioneered by amateurs. The aerospace industry was using CTPB binders in the 70's. Ray Goodson read about HTPB resins and spread the word to Bill Wood, myself and others. I'm sure Ray had more experience with HTPB than Thiokol with the release of their patent in 1978. Krell In a message dated 10/13/2014 2:27:10 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, monroe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: Once you get to the same level of complexity required to make APCP it's wiser to go that route from an ISP standpoint. I don't think a hybrid would qualify as a sugar rocket that's a hybrid rocket, but that is just my opinion. Don't get me wrong I like Sugar rockets for there usefulness and 50km sounds about right for a decent sounding rocket. Besides who says APCP is not an amateur propellant? I see plenty of amateurs producing APCP propellant. We made our own. Anyways I've said enough you guy's can decide what you want to do without my assistance. Sugar rockets are for sure lots of fun. Enjoy! > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [AR] Re: Sugar Rocket State of the Art? > From: Nathan Bergey <nathan.bergey@xxxxxxxxx> > Date: Mon, October 13, 2014 2:08 pm > To: arocket@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > I know nothing. > > But I've been following TU Delft's 50 km hybrid rocket project[1] > recently. I noticed that they have an unusual (at least first I've > seen of it) fuel. It's listed on their site as "a mixture of paraffin, > sorbitol and aluminium" (N20 as oxidizer). So I guess it's kind of a > sugar motor, sort of. :) > > [1] http://dare.tudelft.nl/stratos-ii/ > > > > -Nathan