[AR] Re: Estimating Coefficient of Discharge (Cd)

  • From: Robert Watzlavick <rocket@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: arocket@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2014 09:27:14 -0500

The large jump in Cd (0.65 to 0.47) between 0.023 to .035 doesn't seem right. How are you measuring the flow rate? If you're squirting it into a bucket, there may be some evaporation or splashing going on. Check the L/d - if it is in the range of 4-6, it might be flipping back and forth between fully developed and separated flow (see the hydraulic flip notes in SP-8089).


Your upstream pressures seem really high - typically you want the injector orifice pressure drop to be around 20% of the chamber pressure. Since your "chamber" is the atmosphere for a cold test, you should test at the same dP values you will see in the hot run. So say your chamber pressure is 200 psi, you would be shooting for an injector dP of 40 psi. I would run a set of cold tests at 5 or 10 psi increments from 10 to 60 psi and plot them to see any trends. If you run a cold test above 100 psi, you are probably getting cavitation that won't be happening in the real test. Then in the real test, you would set your regulators to run at 200 + 40 = 240 psi.

I've had mixed success trying to measure discharge coefficients on my injectors. As folks have pointed out, one of the big uncertainties is the hole diameter for non-precision holes. However, when using water tests to predict the performance for a hot fire, the two unknowns (Cd and A) can be grouped together. So you don't really know the hole area but if you use the same Cd and A values, it should get you close for the hot fire. I added flow meters to my test stand to try and address this exact problem and I found that the Cd increases slightly between the cold and hot tests. In one case, the fuel Cd was 0.35 using water and 0.40 during the hot fire. Note: the fuel Cd is really low because it's the effective value for the cooling jacket + injector holes since I can't easily separate them. In that same test, the LOX Cd was 0.63-65 with water and 0.72-0.77 during the hot fire. This is after taking into account any density and viscosity differences.

Other variables to consider are:
1. Static pressure vs. tank pressure - If the passages leading up to the injector holes are small, the static pressure may be quite a bit lower than the measured tank pressures due to the high velocity of the fluid. 2. Back pressure effects - Someday I want to set up a rig where I run the water tests into a big pressurized reservoir and try to quantify this. 3. Pressure vs. Cd effects - In theory Cd should be constant vs. pressure but I don't see that. In a cold water test of my LOX orifices, the Cd was 0.66 at 20 psi and 0.62 at 100 psi.
4.  Cross flow due to the combustion effects
5.  Hydraulic flip - avoid L/d between 4 and 6

Eventually I stopped worrying about trying to exactly match the Cd between the cold and hot test. I use it as a starting point, then just adjust the tank pressures over a series of runs until the flowmeters indicate the desired mixture ratio. Of course, there's always the chance I calibrated the flowmeters incorrectly, especially for the LOX line since it will shrink and read high. One thing I haven't done is run the cold tests with kerosene, mainly because it makes such a mess. If you're using ethanol, it might not be so bad.

-Bob




On 09/13/2014 03:03 PM, (Redacted sender gnsortino@xxxxxxxxx for DMARC) wrote:
I was just performing some flow tests of my injector with water and I noticed that the Coefficient of Discharge (Cd) surprisingly changed from 0.65 to 0.47 when the orifice diameter was also changed from 0.23 in to 0.035 in. In both of these cases the downstream pressure was ambient, however, for the first test the upstream pressure was about 412psi although for the second it was closer to 380 psi. Presumably the pressure difference is due to my regulator unable to keep up with higher flow-rates.

I have 3 theories about what could possibly cause this difference:

(1) Cd is sensitive to the orifice diameter (eg. The larger the diameter the lower the Cd)

(2) Cd is sensitive to the upstream pressure or pressure drop

(3) A combination of 1 and 2

My suspicion is that most of the difference is due to higher pressure drop. Unfortunately, I don’t have an easy way of proving this without buying a new regulator.

Does this this theory somewhat make sense? I also found 2 links to formulas online (both formulas are fairly similar) that estimate Cd. Is this a viable approach to do at least a first approximation of correct Cd values?

_http://www.valvias.com/flow-equations-discharge-coefficient-c.php_

_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discharge_coefficient_



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