On Wed, 2 Oct 2013, Monroe L. King Jr. wrote: > Hummm I might be able to simulate a mars landing like that HIL using > X-Plane. Or do you consider that not good enough? I assume this is in response to my "I've never seen a detailed analysis of the problem" comment... The issue is not simulating the descent, but what assumptions go into the simulation. (For example, bigger landers usually have higher ballistic coefficient -- more kilograms behind each square meter of frontal area -- which is how the problem arises. But there are hidden assumptions there, e.g. your lander must be launched in one piece and you aren't allowed to use orbital assembly or deployable surfaces to increase frontal area. Arguably these things aren't off-the-shelf technology, but then, neither is supersonic retro-propulsion.) Henry Spencer henry@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (hspencer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx) (regexpguy@xxxxxxxxx)