Keith> It would take an awful big sea dragon to lift 15,000 tons. If skylon doesn't have to lift it all in one go, why does Sea Dragon? Keith> The air breathing phase of a Skylon flight has more than twice Keith> the effective propulsion efficiency than the part on rocket, Keith> it's even better than the laser heated hydrogen phase. Note, it is *estimated* to have twice to efficiency. It hasn't flown yet or demonstrated anything close to working hardware. View graph dreams so far. Any laser propulsion is also dreaming from what I read. Keith> The propulsion laser in GEO shines more or less at right angles Keith> to the direction of flight. Takes close to 4000 km to reach Keith> orbit. See the picture of a Skylon under laser propulsion. Laser sounds neat, but I always wonder what happens when it loses lock and illuminates something else by accident...