[AR] Re: MSR reactors.

  • From: Henry Spencer <hspencer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: Arocket List <arocket@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2019 17:30:59 -0400 (EDT)

On Sat, 13 Jul 2019, Ed Kelleher wrote:

      ...the US's huge lead in submarine technology steadily shrank...
      "We had competition in submarine design.  You had Stalinism!"

"The evil that men do lives after them;The good is oft interred with their
bones.",  William Shakespeare, Julius Caesar
The gauge is not the technology.

I'd say that to a large extent it *is*, because the US's commanding lead was largely due to Rickover making things happen much more quickly than they would have otherwise. To his credit, *he* built that huge lead... but then he slowly destroyed it, by clinging to (indeed, expanding) his control of the design process and rejecting almost all further innovation.

There was a comment during a funding panel at a long-ago Space Access that applies pretty well: "The pathological narcissists with delusions of godhood are what you need to get things started, but later they must either turn themselves into managers or bow out in favor of managers."

The Polmar&Moore book is well worth reading, not least because it appeared long enough after the end of the Cold War that it could include the view from both sides. (In submarines as in space, there was a tendency to think of the Soviet program as a mirror image of the US program, which it was not.)

Rickover  instituted procedures and designs that could be operated and maintained, under all conditions, by enlisted sailors; safely, effectively and repeatably (regular turnover in crews). ... No nuclear accidents that I'm aware of.

Not in the narrow sense of reactor damage or meltdown, no. But remember that Rickover did far more than just train the engineering crews; some of the several design flaws that combined to sink USS Thresher were in propulsion and happened on his watch.

Also, there was a price. That emphasis on operation by enlisted sailors led to manpower-intensive systems and distrust of even the simplest forms of automation, which meant larger crews and therefore larger (and more expensive) submarines. In the beginning it was probably the right thing to do, but alternatives should have had more consideration later. Other navies have pursued less-manpower-intensive approaches successfully.

Rocket relevance:  A good safety culture goes a long way.

Indeed so.  Some things he did right.

Henry

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