[AR] Re: Intertank coupling design

  • From: Robert Watzlavick <rocket@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: arocket@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 21:47:31 -0500


Carl,
Thanks for the info and link to Richard's page. I haven't decided on the exact coupler configuration yet so there's still room to improve the design. I assume one "caliber" means one diameter? I saw that on many other HPR websites where the construction materials were composites or fiberglass. Some of them even suggested two or three diameters. I can't believe that you would need a 5-10 inch long coupler to hold two 5 inch diameter tube sections together. An airplane fuselage is many feet in diameter and they usually only have a single frame section with a few inches on either side. Of course there stringer section running the length of the airplane.

I can envision alignment issues though, especially if the ends aren't completely round and the fastener holes aren't drilled perfectly square to the ends. I was hoping to mitigate some of that by making the coupler a bit thicker than needed so it wouldn't deform as everything is bolted together.

Was your fuselage skin also the pressure tank? I had to go with 16 #10-32 screws on the 5 inch diameter to keep from exceeding the bearing allowable stress on the skin. With a conservative 2.0 factor of safety, the tank end caps have to withstand around 18000 lbf each (which works out to about 1100 lbf per #10 fastener in shear).

-Bob

On 10/23/2013 02:17 PM, Carl Tedesco wrote:
Bob,
Just getting to this post...

Here are some comments on the couplers on our SDSU rocket <http://eon.sdsu.edu/%7Erocket/>:

 1. Our SDSU rocket was 8" diameter, 0.072" wall.
 2. The coupler was made from the same tube; we slit the tube
    longitudinally to remove enough so that it could be  fit into the
    original 8" tubing.
 3. We riveted the coupling to the airframe/tank tube for sections
    that we did not intend to seperate.
 4. For sections we wanted to separate we used twenty (20) 8-32
    screws. We had a few screws strip in the thin 0.072" wall, so your
    method with inserts is appealing.
 5. Our big problem was alignment of airframe sections, which many on
    this list gave some good tips.
 6. Picture of our inter tank adapter here
    
<http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-y9c5oqkLSw4/URW_PgeNrnI/AAAAAAAAAFc/Wpq8c8LMobA/s320/Rocket+project+1.jpg>
 7. An HPR guy once told me to make the coupler insertion length at
    least one caliber. We did not follow that advice and hence could
    have contributed to our alignment issues given the tolerances of
    our "rolled" couplers.

Why could you not use your "inner sleeve" as the coupling tube? Seems like one extra part.

Richard Nakka has a nice little webpage on calculating loads on your airframe here <http://www.nakka-rocketry.net/fusestru.html>. It doesn't address loads at if your rocket has any angle-of-attack, but it's still a nice guide.

--- Carl

On 10/11/2013 2:23 PM, Robert Watzlavick wrote:
I'm designing the couplings that will connect each of the propellant tanks to the rest of the structure for my rocket. The primary structure for the tanks is 5 inch OD, 0.125 wall 6061-T6 tubing. The question is: what wall thickness and length does the coupling tube need to be to connect two of the 5 inch OD tubes together? To simplify the discussion, ignore the tank bulkheads or any other structure for now. I don't have an estimate yet of the expected flight bending loads but for a first pass, one philosophy would be to make the joint at least as strong as the rest of the structure in bending so it won't fail at the joint. There would actually be 3 concentric elements: 1) the two primary structure elements butted up end-to-end, 2) the coupling sleeve inside, and 3) another sleeve inside the first one. NAS 623 fasteners, installed radially from the outside in are used to hold it all together, with the primary structure and coupling sleeve drilled to match the "grip" diameter of the fastener. The only purpose of the inner-most sleeve is to have something for the fastener to thread into. By using a second sleeve, there are no shear loads on the fastener threads, only tension. Even though the inner sleeve (with fastener threads in it) will provide additional stiffness, I wasn't going to count its contribution since it will be cut down as thin as possible. The material for the two sleeves would also be 6061-T6.

If the goal is to match the bending capability of the primary structure, then I would think the coupling sleeve only needs to be thick enough to match the moment of inertia of the primary structure. Then, the length of the coupling should only be a function of the shear tearout allowable for the joint. Am I on the right track here? Of all the allowables for the joint (fastener shear stress, bearing stress, shear tearout, net area tension), shear tearout and bearing stress appear to be the most critical for this design. One thing I'm not sure about is how to convert an arbitrary bending moment into the shear load per fastener.

See attached sketch for details.  Any advice would be appreciated.

-Bob



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