[bksvol-discuss] Re: I just uploaded The Book Again
- From: "Julie Morales" <mercy421@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 23:56:11 -0500
Hi, grace. That wouldn't have happened to have been THE UNKNOWN TWIN, was
it? I noticed that in the admin cue and couldn't believe it, because the
author was Kathryn Shay, but the admin cue said Kathy. I know I didn't put
that in there, so I was wondering if maybe another validator before you had
changed it? I was wondering why it was taking so long for that book to be
approved and that would definitely explain it. I make a habit of rereading
every field after I enter the information so things like that don't happen,
so I thought that was really strange. Take care.
Julie Morales
Life is a gift from God. What we do with it is our gift to Him.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Silvara" <silvara@xxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 11:30 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: I just uploaded The Book Again
I am pretty sure that your surmise is correct.
Sometimes people do put in incorrect information on the submission form. For
instance, I recently validated a book in which the author was Cathryn but
the submission form said Cathy, and the book clearly stated that "Cathryn"
was the author and copy right holder.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Evan Reese" <mentat1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 11:13 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: I just uploaded The Book Again
>I just checked, and it hasn't come back yet. But if it does, I will do as
>you advise. I did enter in the comments field when I uploaded the book
>this morning that the title and copyright information was correct, but I
>did not actually paste the information into the field. Maybe that will be
>good enough, but if not, I will do it when it comes back.
>
> My problem is not that this information needs to be accurate, or that it
> may have been returned because of uncertainty about the accuracy of the
> information. My problem is really with the uninformative nature of the
> reason given for the return - especially the second time. The first time,
> I can understand that. But after someone else looked at it and sent it
> back up, it might have occurred to him that a little clearer communication
> might be a good idea since the book still had the same problem after two
> validations. That's my biggest problem. I'm still only guessing that it
> has something to do with the fact that the author's name and the copyright
> holder's name don't precisely match; but I can't know because I don't have
> the information to know that, and it would have been a quick and simple
> matter to provide it.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Silvara" <silvara@xxxxxxx>
> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 7:35 PM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: I just uploaded The Book Again
>
>
>> Evan:
>>
>> In Admin's defense, , they have no way of knowing that you did verify it
>> with a print copy. In the future you can indicate this in the comments
>> field. As a matter of fact, don't be surprised if the book comes back
>> again since the question was not answered. If I were you I'd check the
>> download page to see if the book was back again. -----
>> This is a legal issue and bookshare has to be sure this information is
>> accurate.
>>
>> I have validated a few hundred books and so have a good idea what is
>> required. And still occasionally 1 of my books get kicked back. So don't
>> be discouraged.
>>
>> All you have to do is indicate in the comments field who is the copyright
>> holder and tell them that you verified with a print copy. I would also
>> paste the title, copyright date and holder in the comments field.
>>
>> Grace
>> Original Message -----
>> From: "Evan Reese" <mentat1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 8:48 PM
>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: I just uploaded The Book Again
>>
>>
>>> Yes, the title is complete. I bought a copy of the book online, and I
>>> know it is complete. The copyright information is in the book, which is
>>> identical to that on the form. Verifying the copyright information with
>>> that .gov site at least is impossible, as their records are incomplete,
>>> and several months behind besides as they say right there. But since I
>>> own a copy and can readily read the copyright information, I saw no need
>>> to verify it. If he had a problem with the author's name and the
>>> copyright holder's name not matching, then .... Well, I've already
>>> covered that.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Silvara" <silvara@xxxxxxx>
>>> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 5:02 PM
>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: I just uploaded The Book Again
>>>
>>>
>>>> Was the title complete? There's been times that books get kicked back
>>>> because the title is incomplete. I usually double check it with Bn.com
>>>> or Amazon.com to be sure that the information is correct. And when I do
>>>> this I let the admin know in the comments field that I
>>>> verified it with these sources.
>>>> In your case I would have double checked online, explained my findings
>>>> on the comments field and pasted the copyright info on the comments
>>>> field.
>>>>
>>>> There's a tip on Jake's site on verifying copyright information.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.jbrownell.com/bks/tip.asp?id=22
>>>>
>>>> Hope this helps.
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Evan Reese" <mentat1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 7:39 PM
>>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: I just uploaded The Book Again
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> As far as the copyright information and the author information not
>>>>> jibing goes, the author is Kate Elliott, and the copyright holder is
>>>>> Katrina Elliott. Maybe that's what set him off, but it is correct on
>>>>> the form and in the book. This is book six in the series, and all
>>>>> five previous books are by Kate Elliott, copyright Katrina Elliott.
>>>>>
>>>>> But if the book was kicked back once, and Ginny validated it and sent
>>>>> it back up, why was it kicked back a second time. This is the most
>>>>> irritating part of this thing. If Gustavo had just taken one minute
>>>>> to write a simple sentence - at least the second time - giving just a
>>>>> tiny bit more information, a lot of time and bandwidth could have been
>>>>> put to better use. If the fact that the author's name and the
>>>>> copyright holder's name didn't exactly match is what bothered him,
>>>>> then why didn't he just say so. If it's another issue, then why
>>>>> didn't he say what it was, especially after kicking it back for a
>>>>> second time? I'm going to keep on asking this question until I get an
>>>>> answer. It really bugs me.
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Cindy" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 4:28 PM
>>>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: I just uploaded The Book Again
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> When it gets kicked back with a comment about
>>>>>> something needs to be checked, it's administrative
>>>>>> staff, even though Gustavo's name isn't on it. Ginny
>>>>>> probably was a volunteer to worked on it at one time
>>>>>> and released it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What happens is this, although maybe you've already
>>>>>> figured it out from all the responses:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> After you validate a book and upload it, it gets
>>>>>> checked by a bookshare employee, usually Gustavo at
>>>>>> this time. He doesn't look at the book itself--just at
>>>>>> the form, so if, originally, the copyright holder's
>>>>>> name was not in the space in the submission form, or
>>>>>> if, perhaps, it didn't jibe with the author's name
>>>>>> (since in this case the translator holds the
>>>>>> copyright)and so looked suspicious to Gustavo or
>>>>>> someone, it would be kicked back with a note to have
>>>>>> it checked. Unfortunately, so far bookshare hasn't
>>>>>> replaced any former employees who helped in the
>>>>>> checking and so books get backlogged in the
>>>>>> admdinistrator queue.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also unfortunately, the copyright law and liability
>>>>>> problems prevent any of us volunteers being able to
>>>>>> help with the checking, which would be really easy and
>>>>>> would unblock the clogged queue.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's a good thing you happened to notice that your
>>>>>> book was back on the download list. Many of us haven't
>>>>>> been, assuming all is well, and while we wait for our
>>>>>> book to be approved, and we don't know it's back on
>>>>>> the list for some minor problem to be solved, someone
>>>>>> else takes it and validates it anew and uploads it
>>>>>> correctly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The glitch, as I think Jake pointed out, is that the
>>>>>> original is the book that is returned, not the
>>>>>> validated copy, so instead of someone other than the
>>>>>> validator, who notices the book and sees what's
>>>>>> required, being able to download it and put in the
>>>>>> missing information and uploading it, that person has
>>>>>> to do a whole new validation. That's why, as Jake
>>>>>> said, I and others have started to keep out validated
>>>>>> copies so we can just upload them and correct the
>>>>>> form.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I hope I haven't further confused you and that my
>>>>>> explanation is clear and is not duplicative. I tend to
>>>>>> talk and write too much sometimes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cindy
>>>>>>
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