[muglo] Re: Safari sunstroke?
- From: Ilbert Walker <walker@xxxxxxxx>
- To: muglo@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 00:52:50 -0500
Many thanks for all of this, Eric
Will digest and get back to you , after exploring the avenues you
suggest
Cheers
Ilbert
On 12 Jan 2004, at 6:17 PM, Eric D wrote:
>> I think it's only a matter of time before MS discontinue support of
>> Mac
>> IE - as they have already done for Outlook Express for OSX. The
>> writing is on the wall
>
> I think you're right :-(
>
> ... though, don't they have a version of IE in their MSN for Mac
> software?
>
>> I find so many browsers coming from the same source confusing. Are you
>> saying that Camino was designed for Mac Users ?
>
> Yes, Camino is a 100% Mac app. It uses the Mozilla HTML rendering
> engine but
> conforms to *nearly* all the Mac GUI rules since the interface is Aqua.
> FireBird is the future of Mozilla but the version we have on the Mac
> side is
> the same as what you get on Windows (cross-platform GUI) so it's
> sub-standard (for us Mac users). The future development plans for Moz
> are to
> split the browser from composer from e-mailer which is why you now see
> FireBird being actively developed.
>
> What would be best for Mac is if the Camino and FireBird teams join
> (on the
> Mac) (with Camino responsible for GUI issues and FireBird responsible
> for
> the underlying code).
>
>> Thankyou for this grading . Omniweb is also appealing to me - can
>> you
>> explain want KDE means please . Will this threaten the future of it
>> for
>> Mac users do you think ? It urks me to have to shell out for software
>> which Apple could/should have built in with the system. Ditto
>> regarding the Mail programme which is equally buggy. Am exploring
>> Thunderbird as a bought alternative - or GyazMail.
>
> KDE is the HTML display engine that comes from Linux that Apple uses in
> Safari and that OmniWeb now uses as well. Nope, no threat to its
> future. If
> anything, it solidifies the future of OmniWeb since KDE is being
> actively
> developed by a lot of people (who don't like Netscrape/Mozilla b/c of
> the
> bloat of the application and the rendering engine). Thus, when KDE
> gains
> features, OmniWeb gains features. When Apple improves KDE in Safari
> OmniWeb
> benefits (& Apple has a much larger R&D budget than OmniWeb).
>
>> And yet, as I understand it, Netscape forms the basis for Safari ?
>
> Nope, KDE does. Mozilla (its HTML display rendering engine) forms the
> basis
> for Netscape (6 & 7), FireBird, Camino and a number of others (which I
> don't
> know). Mozilla comes from Netscape Communicator 4.7 (Netscape released
> the
> software into the public domain in 1999 (or was it 1998?) and named the
> project Mozilla)
>
> KDE on the otherhand is *entirely* independent of either AOL/Netscape
> or IE
> and comes from the Linux world. It's the display engine used on most
> (if not
> all) Linux-only browsers and has a major advantage over Mozilla in
> that the
> code is really compact and relatively free from historical issues
> (compare
> the size of Camino to Safari to get a sense of size "efficiency").
>
>> And certainly the Firebird overnight updates and general level of
>> support and active development by the Mozilla crowd seem to be in
>> another world compared with the help from Apple that disgruntled
>> Safari
>> users obtain ?
>
> Well, you'll have to judge for yourself. Safari is pretty stable
> (about as
> stable as you can get on a mac). You'll find that FireBird will
> regularly
> suffer from unstable builds. Features are what should decide what you
> need.
> Don't look to FireBird (yet) for stability ;-)... look to it for
> things that
> Safari can't give you.
>
>> This seems to relate to my other question for you - which is the best
>> ,
>> long term option for Mac Users?
>
> All of them! Keep'em all around. I have uses for all of them except for
> OmniWeb which never really caught my attention and FireBird b/c it's
> too
> unstable compared to Mozilla 1.5 and Netscrape b/c I have about as
> strong a
> hatred for AOheLl's as I do Micro$erf's business practices and Mozilla
> does
> a better job than Netscape anyway (they're basically the same app).
>
>> My inclination in starting with OSX was to try to stick with native
>> Apple applications which (mistakenly ?) I feel would have been made
>> more compatible with the Unix base ?
>> Now I'm beginning to wonder.
>
> Safari is the slickest of the simple browsers. Camino could be slicker
> but
> it's less stable. Want something more complex, try Mozilla or Netscape
> or
> even FireBird but you sacrifice stability and simplicity.
>
>> Yes I've heard of it -but couldn't open my downloaded copy . Will try
>> again. But I'm reluctant to rely on a small outfit which may not
>> survive - or be bought out by the bigger sharks, and discontinued.
>> I'm
>> wanting long term security - if such is conceivable in the software
>> world :-)
>
> iCab has been around LONGER than EVERYTHING currently out. IE is
> discontinued. Mozilla and Netscape have very little in common with
> Netscape
> Communicator and suffered from a lack of development for years.
> OmniWeb and
> Safari only came on the scene with OS X. iCab has been faithful to the
> Mac
> faithful and has consistently and constantly been releasing updates.
> He (the
> one man show) has been a shining light in the otherwise checkered past
> of
> Mac browsers. I've been using iCab since 1998 and still do everyday
> (AppleScripted page downloads). Also, iCab has an extensive repertoir
> of
> AppleScript commands.
>
> <http://www.icab.de>
>
> Let me know and I'll e-mail you a copy. Also, make sure you d/l Stuffit
> 8.0.3!
>
> Eric
>
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