[muglo] Re: Safari sunstroke?
- From: Ilbert Walker <walker@xxxxxxxx>
- To: muglo@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 11:21:02 -0500
Thanks for this feedback
Will reply in detail later
Ilbert
On 11 Jan 2004, at 11:14 AM, Eric D wrote:
>> I found another user on the Apple Support Discussion site with a G4
>> and
>> the very same problem.
>> From that site it's obviously many are dissatisfied with Safari and
>> it's instability
>
> It's funny how each browser attracts its own group of detractors and
> proponents. Of the Mac browsers, the most effective is IE. I find that
> many
> of the more complex sites are only compatible with MS IE. We Mac users
> are
> in serious trouble if a future OS X version ever breaks MS IE and MS
> doesn't
> fix it.
>
> Of the others, Safari is perhaps the most useful for 95% of day-to-day
> browsing. A few sites are now still only compatible with Camino or
> other
> Mozilla-based browsers (and, of course, IE). Mozilla is good but it's
> too
> bloated and un-Mac-like, Netscrape is not quite as good as Mozilla and
> it
> too is horribly bloated and moderately un-Mac-like (not as much as
> Moz).
> FireBird is showing potential (but is still pretty unstable) and my
> personal
> hope is that Camino and FireBird join forces. Camino is a mature
> browser on
> the Mac side and should (could) serve as the GUI for FireBird. Mozilla
> is
> dieing. Long live FireBird!
>
> I can't really comment on IE's stability since I don't use it much at
> all
> (except for tough web sites) but this is my experience with the web
> browsers
> for stability (having used the lot of 'em):
>
> Safari > Camino ~ iCab ~ OmniWeb (may be changing since they are
> incorporating KDE) > Netscape ~ Mozilla > FireBird
>
> I'm sure the knee-jerk anti-Microsoftees will take exception and seek
> to
> defend Netscrash/Mozilla. They are browsers with significant potential
> but
> their bloat simply makes them useless. Cutting out the composer and
> e-mailer
> function will make Mozilla *much* better (and also allow programmers to
> focus on what is important in Mozilla -- the HTML rendering engine).
> Mozilla
> is good because it gives you cutting edge HTML support (which you'll
> never
> find) but Netscrash is useless since it doesn't give you anything
> cutting
> edge and all you get for your pain is an ugly non-Mac interface and
> extreme
> bloat. IE is suffering from a lack of attention. It's still operating
> with a
> 2000/2001-era code base and has only had a few (minor) updates over
> the past
> three years.
>
> If you want a web site to test out the HTML robustness (not HTML
> compliance!!!) of a browser, go to http://www.needahotel.com,
> car-rental
> places or air-line booking sites. Only IE does them all (fortunately
> 3/4
> work with Safari/Camino). I've also found a few other sites that
> prefer IE
> (or Safari with slightly less functionality... KDE is a pretty damned
> robust
> rendering engine... where Mozilla et al. fail). I've only found *one*
> site
> in recent memory which didn't work in a single Mac browser (including
> IE)
> and required me to fire up VPC and run IE 5.5.
>
>> I'll try the Prefs delete and see what happens. But at present
>> exploring other recommended browsers like Camino, Firebird and Omniweb
>> - which I gather are more regularly updated and improved
>
> You'll find only OmniWeb to be in the same league as Safari for some
> things
> (Safari has best toolbar implementation but Camino has the best
> browsing
> implementation since you can get rid of the toolbar completely). Camino
> development has stalled in recent months (since Safari has taken over)
> and
> has a number of stability issues and FireBird is still quite unstable
> and
> not ready yet if you're worried about stability. I don't think
> FireBird will
> *ever* be up to Mac quality (just like Netscape 7.1 is not a GUI
> quality
> Mac-app) unless the Camino developers get their hands on it and clean
> up the
> GUI (the Communicator/Netscrape heritage) to raise it to Mac OS
> X-standards.
>
> I would also advise you to check out iCab. It's not as snazzy as some
> of the
> others but it offers an entirely different browsing experience (it's a
> one-man show) and there are a lot of people who swear by it. It's
> fairly
> stable (same leage as Camino/Moz/Netscape) to boot.
>
> OmniWeb is great for some people but for a lot of others it's
> half-assed. I
> find that Safari now has the best implementation of tabbed browsing,
> closely
> followed by Camino (Netscape/Mozilla are ATROCIOUS since the coders
> don't
> know what to do with the ugly Communicator toolbar/URL bar)
>
>> Having once recently lost all my Bookmarks with a G5 User ID problem,
>> I've also just bought URL Manager Pro which has a safer and wider ,
>> multi-browser use
>
> I love it when I manage to lose my bookmarks (a chance to start over).
> What
> I do is make a web page with the important bookmarks. Less important
> ones
> are found with: www.google.com ;) (of course, I've mastered some of
> Google's
> more advanced search features :)
>
> Eric.
>
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