[AR] Re: Super Loki Dart design documents
- From: "Monroe L. King Jr." <monroe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: arocket@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2014 06:42:28 -0700
Here is an interesting bit on a launcher for it.
http://assets.ngin.com/attachments/document/0030/8919/LAU900_LAUNCH_SYSTEM__1_.pdf
Monroe
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: [AR] Re: Super Loki Dart design documents
> From: "" <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> (Redacted sender
> "JMKrell@xxxxxxx" for DMARC)
> Date: Wed, September 03, 2014 6:11 am
> To: arocket@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>
> Viper 3A - 4.33" upgraded Super Loki
>
> Viper 2 - 7.08"
>
>
> Krell
>
>
> In a message dated 9/3/2014 6:03:32 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> acesaroni@xxxxxxxxxxx writes:
>
> Closer to 7".
>
> Anthony J. Cesaroni
> President/CEO
> Cesaroni Technology/Cesaroni Aerospace
> http://www.cesaronitech.com/
> (941) 360-3100 x101 Sarasota
> (905) 887-2370 x222 Toronto
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: arocket-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:arocket-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Monroe L. King Jr.
> Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2014 8:53 AM
> To: arocket@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [AR] Re: Super Loki Dart design documents
>
> I thought the "Viper" was a 4" version.
>
> Monroe
>
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > Subject: [AR] Re: Super Loki Dart design documents
> > From: "Troy Prideaux" <GEORDI@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Date: Mon, September 01, 2014 7:25 pm
> > To: <arocket@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >
> >
> > Which is kind of the point I was making.
> >
> > Troy
> >
> >
> > The higher altitudes from the Viper darts is the result of the 57 lbs of
> propellant compared to the 37 lbs in the Super Loki.
> >
> > In a message dated 9/1/2014 3:46:44 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> GEORDI@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes:
> > >O25000 great stunt motor but not very efficient. Larger diameter
> > >dramatically increases drag, particularly in the le, dense atmosphere.
> >
> > Not necessarily - for the same aspect ratio and everything else being
> equal, a larger diameter (or actually larger) rocket should be more
> efficient
> than a smaller one in an atmosphere purely due to *drag* - a larger rocket
> is *less* affected by drag due to the cube-square law. Of course (with
> everything being equal), larger rockets generally go faster due to this fact
> and will, as a consequence, experience more drag so everything isn't equal
> after all and because of this will probably be less efficient. Nevertheless,
> it should go higher hence demonstrated why the operational ceilings for
> the larger Viper darts are considerably higher than the smaller Loki.
> > The O25000 probably is a bit short for a really efficient dart motor,
> but its burn time will go some way in making up for that with an efficient
> dart.
> >
> > >
> > >This is why all the folks flying N5800s are very amusing. No doubt
> > >entertaining but highly inefficient. Much of the energy of the motor
> > >goes into drag and heat rather than altitude.
> >
> > Indeed. I'm guessing the attraction is the engineering challenge of
> dealing with the loads experienced with such an aggressive flight profile.
> Flying such flight profiles is incredibly inefficient, however well
> engineered
> *boosted darts* are the most efficient method of obtaining a certain
> altitude within an atmosphere and gravity field.
> >
> > Troy.
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > >K
> > >
> > >Ken Biba
> > >Novarum
> > >Managing Director and CTO
> > >+14155775496
> > >
> > >
> > >> On Sep 1, 2014, at 1:28 AM, "Monroe L. King Jr."
> > ><monroe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Yeah, that motor would do it. I just can not afford that one.
> > >>
> > >> Monroe
> > >>
> > >>> -------- Original Message --------
> > >>> Subject: [AR] Re: Super Loki Dart design documents
> > >>> From: "Troy Prideaux" <GEORDI@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >>> Date: Sun, August 31, 2014 8:22 pm
> > >>> To: <arocket@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> That O-25000 would be a very sweet motor for a boosted dart :)
> > >>> Very
> > >sweet indeed. What was the 5" variant of the Loki again? Viper?
> > >>>
> > >>> Troy
> > >>>
> > >>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>> From: arocket-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >>>> [mailto:arocket-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > >On
> > >>>> Behalf Of Mark C Spiegl
> > >>>> Sent: Monday, 1 September 2014 12:39 PM
> > >>>> To: arocket@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >>>> Subject: [AR] Re: Super Loki Dart design documents
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Monroe L. King Jr. wrote:
> > >>>>>> So I guess I need to calculate the burn rate and see what COTS
> > >>>>>> has to
> > >>>> offer in
> > >>>>>> that ball park. Who has the fastest COTS propellant? Has anyone
> > >>>>>> got
> > >any
> > >>>> hard
> > >>>>>> data on that? I'm sure someone out there in Arocket land
> > >>>>>> already know
> > >>>> who's got
> > >>>>>> the hottest propellant.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Cesaroni O-25000???
> > >>>> It's a 5 inch motor but might work.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Cesaroni N-5800
> > >>>> Is a 4 inch motor but only 20kNS thrust
> > >>>>
> > >>>> For home brew, Kosdon had some quick burning motors. You might
> > >>>> find the formulas online these days.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> -->MCS
> > >>
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