I thought the "Viper" was a 4" version. Monroe > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [AR] Re: Super Loki Dart design documents > From: "Troy Prideaux" <GEORDI@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Date: Mon, September 01, 2014 7:25 pm > To: <arocket@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > Which is kind of the point I was making. > > Troy > > > The higher altitudes from the Viper darts is the result of the 57 lbs of > propellant compared to the 37 lbs in the Super Loki. > > In a message dated 9/1/2014 3:46:44 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > GEORDI@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: > >O25000 great stunt motor but not very efficient. Larger diameter > >dramatically increases drag, particularly in the le, dense atmosphere. > > Not necessarily - for the same aspect ratio and everything else being equal, > a larger diameter (or actually larger) rocket should be more efficient than a > smaller one in an atmosphere purely due to *drag* - a larger rocket is *less* > affected by drag due to the cube-square law. Of course (with everything being > equal), larger rockets generally go faster due to this fact and will, as a > consequence, experience more drag so everything isn't equal after all and > because of this will probably be less efficient. Nevertheless, it should go > higher hence demonstrated why the operational ceilings for the larger Viper > darts are considerably higher than the smaller Loki. > The O25000 probably is a bit short for a really efficient dart motor, but > its burn time will go some way in making up for that with an efficient dart. > > > > >This is why all the folks flying N5800s are very amusing. No doubt > >entertaining but highly inefficient. Much of the energy of the motor goes > >into drag and heat rather than altitude. > > Indeed. I'm guessing the attraction is the engineering challenge of dealing > with the loads experienced with such an aggressive flight profile. Flying > such flight profiles is incredibly inefficient, however well engineered > *boosted darts* are the most efficient method of obtaining a certain altitude > within an atmosphere and gravity field. > > Troy. > > > > > > >K > > > >Ken Biba > >Novarum > >Managing Director and CTO > >+14155775496 > > > > > >> On Sep 1, 2014, at 1:28 AM, "Monroe L. King Jr." > ><monroe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >> > >> Yeah, that motor would do it. I just can not afford that one. > >> > >> Monroe > >> > >>> -------- Original Message -------- > >>> Subject: [AR] Re: Super Loki Dart design documents > >>> From: "Troy Prideaux" <GEORDI@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >>> Date: Sun, August 31, 2014 8:22 pm > >>> To: <arocket@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >>> > >>> > >>> That O-25000 would be a very sweet motor for a boosted dart :) Very > >sweet indeed. What was the 5" variant of the Loki again? Viper? > >>> > >>> Troy > >>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: arocket-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:arocket-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] > >On > >>>> Behalf Of Mark C Spiegl > >>>> Sent: Monday, 1 September 2014 12:39 PM > >>>> To: arocket@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >>>> Subject: [AR] Re: Super Loki Dart design documents > >>>> > >>>> Monroe L. King Jr. wrote: > >>>>>> So I guess I need to calculate the burn rate and see what COTS has to > >>>> offer in > >>>>>> that ball park. Who has the fastest COTS propellant? Has anyone got > >any > >>>> hard > >>>>>> data on that? I'm sure someone out there in Arocket land already know > >>>> who's got > >>>>>> the hottest propellant. > >>>> > >>>> Cesaroni O-25000??? > >>>> It's a 5 inch motor but might work. > >>>> > >>>> Cesaroni N-5800 > >>>> Is a 4 inch motor but only 20kNS thrust > >>>> > >>>> For home brew, Kosdon had some quick burning motors. You might find the > >>>> formulas online these days. > >>>> > >>>> -->MCS > >>