[AR] Re: Super Loki Dart design documents
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- To: arocket@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2014 09:11:56 -0400
Viper 3A - 4.33" upgraded Super Loki
Viper 2 - 7.08"
Krell
In a message dated 9/3/2014 6:03:32 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
acesaroni@xxxxxxxxxxx writes:
Closer to 7".
Anthony J. Cesaroni
President/CEO
Cesaroni Technology/Cesaroni Aerospace
http://www.cesaronitech.com/
(941) 360-3100 x101 Sarasota
(905) 887-2370 x222 Toronto
-----Original Message-----
From: arocket-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:arocket-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Monroe L. King Jr.
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2014 8:53 AM
To: arocket@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [AR] Re: Super Loki Dart design documents
I thought the "Viper" was a 4" version.
Monroe
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: [AR] Re: Super Loki Dart design documents
> From: "Troy Prideaux" <GEORDI@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Mon, September 01, 2014 7:25 pm
> To: <arocket@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>
>
> Which is kind of the point I was making.
>
> Troy
>
>
> The higher altitudes from the Viper darts is the result of the 57 lbs of
propellant compared to the 37 lbs in the Super Loki.
>
> In a message dated 9/1/2014 3:46:44 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
GEORDI@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes:
> >O25000 great stunt motor but not very efficient. Larger diameter
> >dramatically increases drag, particularly in the le, dense atmosphere.
>
> Not necessarily - for the same aspect ratio and everything else being
equal, a larger diameter (or actually larger) rocket should be more efficient
than a smaller one in an atmosphere purely due to *drag* - a larger rocket
is *less* affected by drag due to the cube-square law. Of course (with
everything being equal), larger rockets generally go faster due to this fact
and will, as a consequence, experience more drag so everything isn't equal
after all and because of this will probably be less efficient. Nevertheless,
it should go higher hence demonstrated why the operational ceilings for
the larger Viper darts are considerably higher than the smaller Loki.
> The O25000 probably is a bit short for a really efficient dart motor,
but its burn time will go some way in making up for that with an efficient
dart.
>
> >
> >This is why all the folks flying N5800s are very amusing. No doubt
> >entertaining but highly inefficient. Much of the energy of the motor
> >goes into drag and heat rather than altitude.
>
> Indeed. I'm guessing the attraction is the engineering challenge of
dealing with the loads experienced with such an aggressive flight profile.
Flying such flight profiles is incredibly inefficient, however well engineered
*boosted darts* are the most efficient method of obtaining a certain
altitude within an atmosphere and gravity field.
>
> Troy.
>
>
>
> >
> >K
> >
> >Ken Biba
> >Novarum
> >Managing Director and CTO
> >+14155775496
> >
> >
> >> On Sep 1, 2014, at 1:28 AM, "Monroe L. King Jr."
> ><monroe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>
> >> Yeah, that motor would do it. I just can not afford that one.
> >>
> >> Monroe
> >>
> >>> -------- Original Message --------
> >>> Subject: [AR] Re: Super Loki Dart design documents
> >>> From: "Troy Prideaux" <GEORDI@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>> Date: Sun, August 31, 2014 8:22 pm
> >>> To: <arocket@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> That O-25000 would be a very sweet motor for a boosted dart :)
> >>> Very
> >sweet indeed. What was the 5" variant of the Loki again? Viper?
> >>>
> >>> Troy
> >>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: arocket-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>> [mailto:arocket-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> >On
> >>>> Behalf Of Mark C Spiegl
> >>>> Sent: Monday, 1 September 2014 12:39 PM
> >>>> To: arocket@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>> Subject: [AR] Re: Super Loki Dart design documents
> >>>>
> >>>> Monroe L. King Jr. wrote:
> >>>>>> So I guess I need to calculate the burn rate and see what COTS
> >>>>>> has to
> >>>> offer in
> >>>>>> that ball park. Who has the fastest COTS propellant? Has anyone
> >>>>>> got
> >any
> >>>> hard
> >>>>>> data on that? I'm sure someone out there in Arocket land
> >>>>>> already know
> >>>> who's got
> >>>>>> the hottest propellant.
> >>>>
> >>>> Cesaroni O-25000???
> >>>> It's a 5 inch motor but might work.
> >>>>
> >>>> Cesaroni N-5800
> >>>> Is a 4 inch motor but only 20kNS thrust
> >>>>
> >>>> For home brew, Kosdon had some quick burning motors. You might
> >>>> find the formulas online these days.
> >>>>
> >>>> -->MCS
> >>
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