[GeoStL] Re: You catch more flies with honey, than vinegar

From: "GC-RGS" <gc-rgs@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: <geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 16:24:36 -0600
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Susan,

We'll let it go this time but don't make it a habit :-)

Coords for parking are N38 30.649 W90 35.219

Take the Lewis rd exit (#266) off 44 at the Meramec river/Rt 66 state park 
exit. Drive West and just several hundred feet before the stopsign is the 
park entrance on the right. Once in the park, keep to the right and go to 
the end (about 1/4 mile) to the lot. The indoor shelter is just to the right 
of the parking lot.

Rich

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Susan Ring" <susanmring@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 4:07 PM
Subject: [GeoStL] Re: You catch more flies with honey, than vinegar


> -
> You know, it just occurred to me that I should start baking, but I just 
> made
> plans for the evening.  Don't know if I'll be organized enough in the
> morning to bake then (somehow these Friday night outings always seem to 
> last
> till the wee hours of Sat morning)
>
> How about if I don't get cookies made for tomorrow, I'll bring some on
> Monday's group hunt?  I know our officers have certainly earned their pay
> this week!
>
> Susan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Tim & Pam Ueltzen
> Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 3:51 PM
> To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [GeoStL] Re: You catch more flies with honey, than vinegar
>
>
> -
> Nancy said: " It's my understanding that the officers get their pay in
> cookies. They'd better be really really big ones."
>
> Sounds to me like I've been getting short paid:( I think Susan might need 
> to
> start baking:)
>
> For those of you that have never had the pleasure of being at an event 
> when
> Susan brought some of her home made cookies they are VERY GOOD:) Maybe I
> shouldn't say that because everyone knows how good they are and that means
> more competition when it comes time to enjoy them.
>
> Tim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of tklnhl & kyd
> Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 3:12 PM
> To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [GeoStL] Re: You catch more flies with honey, than vinegar
>
> -
> _______________________________________-
>> (But not to me, with the others in the group who are
>> anxious to have an intelligent discussion.)
>>
>> Paul Konopacki
> Hey now ...
>
> ++++
>
> Tried to read through the "Breaking News" update and got a bit lost when
> Bush started spying on  the Quakers.
>
> It's a shame, because, if presented to the group in a calm, logical way, I
> probably would have been on Jim's "side."
>
> As it stands, the message is lost in the presentation/attack.
>
> This website is the first most of us have even been made aware of a 
> concern.
> My guess is that if presented to the group/list  in a calm,
> nonconfrontational way  (without naming names  as has been done in  the
> past), that another round of selfcensoring would have taken place.
>
> SLAGA is still, relatively speaking,  a group in its infancy. We (my 
> family)
> and I were not there "in  the beginning". But I'll go out on a  limb and 
> say
> I doubt  that those who were there in the beginning imagined that
> geocaching and SLAGA would grow as it has and would result in what  it is
> becoming.
>
> It is also because those people were willing to go waaaaaaaaay  out on an
> even larger limb that anyone in  this group has the opportunity to create
> websites, or send email to a list against the group. Without those people
> there would be no  group. There would be no  events in which to hear
> derogatory things;  no mail lists in which to discuss the merits of
> membership dues -- no website to track our stats (even if we try  to say
> it's NOT about the numbers).
>
> As SLAGA continues to grow there will be problems.  One month (and  I'm
> ignoring things that happened  TWO and HALF  years ago that everyone 
> admits
> were settled) is  NOT enough time for a group of busy people to offer
> acceptable options.  Especially during this time of year when most have
> families, end of year commitments, illness  etc.
>
> As an individual, Paul made a  legitimate offer  for you to have your 
> voice
> heard. No it wasn't exactly what you wanted but it would have been  a 
> start.
> Perhaps it would have paved the way for other feedback opportunities.
> Perhaps others would have heard your concern and also privately contacted
> the officers with similar concerns.
>
> Now, I will violate my own rule and make this personal.
>
> Jim, IMHO, you missed a great opportunity. Do you really not recognize 
> that
> you are a geocaching "presence" that many wonder about?  Your caches and
> placements are excellent; logs are interesting and when it comes to local
> natural resources your knowledge appears to be unlimited. Your caches have
> taken us places we would never have thought  to go. When we were able  to
> make it to the Christmas party YOU were the first person my 8 year old
> daughter wanted to  get a look at (Molly was the first but she has too 
> many
> legs).   I had to  convince her though  that  based on my impression, you
> might not take it as a compliment if a laughing 8 year old girl walked up 
> to
> you and said, "Dude..  we HATE you .. but I mean  that only in  the most
> loving way possible." Her best times, not only in gecocaching but in her
> little outdoor  life, have been getting lost in the woods with her daddy
> looking for YOUR  caches. Just mention the name Myotis in  our house and
> there are at first groans a
> nd lots of "oh nos" followed  by  "When do we go???".  You have been 
> making
> a statement. A positive one whether you are aware  of it or not.
>
> (end what appears to be a  mini lovefest here)
>
> You have obviously worked hard to  protect the natural resources that you
> love. Why not do the same for the SLAGA organization? The clue is that the
> tactics that work for the US Government do not translate well into the
> interpersonal level. Just because it is individuals involved does not mean
> that things move faster. But it does mean that the individuals tend to 
> take
> things personally and react on a personal  level.
>
> Now, do some of the founding members have different backgrounds, values 
> and
> senses of humor than the nonfounding members?  Uh..  I  CAN say ..    YES 
> to
> that. LOL.    This is NOT  the local  boyscouts, girlscouts, philanthropy 
> or
> entrepreneur group.  Not the Army, the Knights of Columbus  or the local
> coven.  There are no pledges to be signed and memorized. No secret
> handshakes. (That *I* am aware of .. hmmmm  ... ) No higher,  altruistic
> goals except for CITO. Just people looking for a reason to head  into the
> woods with latest technology. And they happened to be able to use the
> Internet to find SLAGA. And now this..
>
> As it is, the issue is no longer a concern about individual behavior in a
> group,  geo setting, but has become about one person and his past
> activities/current presentation and one or  two "official" SLAGA members
> reaction.
>
> And then somehow  the Quakers got involved and I'm not even sure they use 
> a
> GPS.
>
> Also goes to show what must go on behind the scenes that we know nothing
> about.
>
> It's my understanding that the officers get their pay in cookies. They'd
> better be really really big ones.
>
> Nancy
>
>
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