- I just want to say that I have never been to a SLAGA or MOGO event before and was looking forward to the event this March. I have paid my fee and sent in my waver. I have been collecting JEEP TRAVEL BUGS to bring for however the group distributes the travel bugs at these events. However, after reading the forums today I will not feel comfortable or feel safe bring my son who is eight to this event. I don't know many of the members or their backgrounds to know who may go "Postal". I have never met the two cachers who where offended or know what the "offensive" joke was that was said so as a member of SLAGA how am I liable and now labled "Racist"? --- tklnhl & kyd <sydstyr@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > - > _______________________________________- > > (But not to me, with the others in the group who > are > > anxious to have an intelligent discussion.) > > > > Paul Konopacki > Hey now ... > > ++++ > > Tried to read through the "Breaking News" update and > got a bit lost when Bush started spying on the > Quakers. > > It's a shame, because, if presented to the group in > a calm, logical way, I probably would have been on > Jim's "side." > > As it stands, the message is lost in the > presentation/attack. > > This website is the first most of us have even been > made aware of a concern. My guess is that if > presented to the group/list in a calm, > nonconfrontational way (without naming names as > has been done in the past), that another round of > selfcensoring would have taken place. > > SLAGA is still, relatively speaking, a group in its > infancy. We (my family) and I were not there "in > the beginning". But I'll go out on a limb and say I > doubt that those who were there in the beginning > imagined that geocaching and SLAGA would grow as it > has and would result in what it is becoming. > > It is also because those people were willing to go > waaaaaaaaay out on an even larger limb that anyone > in this group has the opportunity to create > websites, or send email to a list against the group. > Without those people there would be no group. There > would be no events in which to hear derogatory > things; no mail lists in which to discuss the > merits of membership dues -- no website to track our > stats (even if we try to say it's NOT about the > numbers). > > As SLAGA continues to grow there will be problems. > One month (and I'm ignoring things that happened > TWO and HALF years ago that everyone admits were > settled) is NOT enough time for a group of busy > people to offer acceptable options. Especially > during this time of year when most have families, > end of year commitments, illness etc. > > As an individual, Paul made a legitimate offer for > you to have your voice heard. No it wasn't exactly > what you wanted but it would have been a start. > Perhaps it would have paved the way for other > feedback opportunities. Perhaps others would have > heard your concern and also privately contacted the > officers with similar concerns. > > Now, I will violate my own rule and make this > personal. > > Jim, IMHO, you missed a great opportunity. Do you > really not recognize that you are a geocaching > "presence" that many wonder about? Your caches and > placements are excellent; logs are interesting and > when it comes to local natural resources your > knowledge appears to be unlimited. Your caches have > taken us places we would never have thought to go. > When we were able to make it to the Christmas party > YOU were the first person my 8 year old daughter > wanted to get a look at (Molly was the first but > she has too many legs). I had to convince her > though that based on my impression, you might not > take it as a compliment if a laughing 8 year old > girl walked up to you and said, "Dude.. we HATE you > .. but I mean that only in the most loving way > possible." Her best times, not only in gecocaching > but in her little outdoor life, have been getting > lost in the woods with her daddy looking for YOUR > caches. Just mention the name Myotis in our house > and there are at first groans a > nd lots of "oh nos" followed by "When do we > go???". You have been making a statement. A > positive one whether you are aware of it or not. > > (end what appears to be a mini lovefest here) > > You have obviously worked hard to protect the > natural resources that you love. Why not do the same > for the SLAGA organization? The clue is that the > tactics that work for the US Government do not > translate well into the interpersonal level. Just > because it is individuals involved does not mean > that things move faster. But it does mean that the > individuals tend to take things personally and react > on a personal level. > > Now, do some of the founding members have different > backgrounds, values and senses of humor than the > nonfounding members? Uh.. I CAN say .. YES to > that. LOL. This is NOT the local boyscouts, > girlscouts, philanthropy or entrepreneur group. Not > the Army, the Knights of Columbus or the local > coven. There are no pledges to be signed and > memorized. No secret handshakes. (That *I* am aware > of .. hmmmm ... ) No higher, altruistic goals > except for CITO. Just people looking for a reason to > head into the woods with latest technology. And > they happened to be able to use the Internet to find > SLAGA. And now this.. > > As it is, the issue is no longer a concern about > individual behavior in a group, geo setting, but > has become about one person and his past > activities/current presentation and one or two > "official" SLAGA members reaction. > > And then somehow the Quakers got involved and I'm > not even sure they use a GPS. > > Also goes to show what must go on behind the scenes > that we know nothing about. > > It's my understanding that the officers get their > pay in cookies. 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