I also know this submitter as she's a friend of mine. I did talk to her on the phone today and suggested first that she could submit her books in rtf format and she said she would try it. She also said she couldn't figure out why some of the books she thought were good scans were rejected and other books that she felt weren't very good scans were accepted. I get the feeling that if people want to resubmit her books with better accuracy, that was fine with her. She just wants to scan the books she has and share them with anyone who might like them and if they're not good enough, then so be it. She does Braille proofreading and says she doesn't have time to also proofread her scans. Some of her books are large print that she gets from her local library and some she buys from romance book clubs. Although most if not all of the books are indicated as fair on the download list, I have downloaded a number of them and they weren't all bad scans so I don't think she is always rating them accurately. If she rated them as good or excellent and they aren't, people would complain about them also so perhaps she rates them as fair so that they can't get anything but better ratings. To be honest, I don't appreciate having her bad mouthed on the list and I'm glad she's not on it now! If you don't like the books she submits, perhaps it should be taken off list and let Marissa deal privately with her. Just my two cents worth for a good friend of mine. If I read too many more messages about her directly and not about books in text format in general terms, I'm outa here (not that anyone cares whether I am here or not.) ----- Original Message ----- From: Lisa B. To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 12:47 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Nuking Fair submissions Oh, I know who this submitter is, and her name doesn't have an E-mail address attached to it. I've validated quite a few of her books and Lisa L. is correct. The last book I validated of hers had only the word "Intrigue" in the synopsis field. Well, it's a good thing I skimmed that book and did some research, because the book was very sexually explicit and needed to be labeled as adult material for sure, and this is coming from someone with a really dirty mind and a raunchy since of humor. <smiles> I don't expect a complete synopsis for a book that I'm validating, but it would be nice to have something to go on just so I know if it would be something I'd want to validate. I've worked on some of the romances she's submitted and some of them do say that they are large print editions, so this may explain some of the scan-o's, missing words at the beginning and end of lines, etc. Again, though, it was obvious the book hadn't been reviewed after being scanned. The text quality is usually Okay and as Lisa pointed out sometimes the fair rating is warranted, but I'd have to come to the same conclusion and infer that the submitter doesn't take the time to fill in any of the category information or synopsis info. There are many books being submitted by this individual and I think it's great that someone is putting time into scanning and submitting, but from a validator's standpoint, cleaning these submissions up is sometimes quite a job, and this doesn't even take into consideration the whole page break issue. Shelley, if you or someone from Bookshare would take on the task of explaining the problems we are having from a validator's standpoint, that would be great. I don't think that just having book after book rejected as some on this list have suggested is the solution here, since it seems she genuinely wants to help and I don't think just rejecting the book in the hopes that she'll figure out what the problems are and correct them is fair to her. She would probably appreciate the feedback. Lisa ----- Original Message ----- From: Lisa Leonardi To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 1:20 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Nuking Fair submissions I have to be honest, I haven't downloaded too many books by this submitter. But I think that's accurate. I don't think the default rating has been changed... that't not to say that many of these submissions don't deserve this rating. But I don't think they all do. But I don't think this submitter changes the default rating because she also doesn't select categories or fill out any synopsis information. Lisa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jake" <jabrown@xxxxxxxxx> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 11:21 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Nuking Fair submissions > Sue, > If the book marked fair is on the Step 1 Validation page then either the > submitter thinks the book to be of a fair quality or did not take the time > to change the default rating (fair). > > Jake > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "siss52" <siss52@xxxxxxx> > To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 11:20 PM > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Nuking Fair submissions > > > > > > > > > > Bless your heart Shelley, I do believe you could succesfully do this. I > > just saw a book scanned by this submitter which has not been validated by > > anyone, yet the rating says, "fair, many errors but legible throughout." > I > > may have a misunderstanding of this, but would that indicate that the > > submitter's equipment gave the book this rating? Sometimes being truthful > > in a chat,, if done with kindness, is really more thoughtful than silence. > > I only saw her name, though, no e-mail address. > > > > Sue S. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Shelley L. Rhodes" <juddysbuddy@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > > To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 10:21 PM > > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Nuking Fair submissions > > > > > > Would someone have the submitters email. She allows it to show with > > uploads. > > > > I don't mind talking to her I promise to be tactful, smile. > > > > > > Shelley L. Rhodes and Judson, guiding golden > > juddysbuddy@xxxxxxxxxxxx > > Guide Dogs For the Blind Inc. > > Graduate Advisory Council > > www.guidedogs.com > > > > The vision must be followed by the venture. It is not enough to > > stare up the steps - we must step up the stairs. > > > > -- Vance Havner > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Kellie Hartmann" <kellhart@xxxxxxxxxx> > > To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 11:13 PM > > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Nuking Fair submissions > > > > > > Cindy, > > I don't believe that the submitter in question is on this list. > > Kellie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >