This is my direct understanding of the logic. We have discussed the need to have the blank lines for best HTML formatting. -----Original Message----- From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Grandma Cindy Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 5:22 PM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Need to clarify header/footer processing logic If one reads it carefully (a big if I suppose) it's clear. The header or footer would be the first or last line of *text* if it's followed by a blank line, or line space. grin G.Cindy --- Guido Corona <guidoc@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > The following lines in the volunteer manual may be > some source of > confusion: > > > a.. Make sure that if a page contains a header > that the header is the > > first line of text on the page. > > b.. Make sure that if a page contains a footer > that the footer is the > > last line of text on the page. > > > . . . > > > a.. Make sure there is a blank line before > headers > > b.. Make sure there is a blank line after > footers > > As this is not exactly my understanding of the logic > of the header/footer > processor, I will seek a direct interpretation from > the engineering > department. > > G. > > > Guido Dante Corona > IBM Research, > Human Ability & Accessibility Center, (HA&AC) > Austin Tx. > Phone: 512. 838. 9735. > Email: guidoc@xxxxxxxxxxx > Web: http://www.ibm.com/able > > ". . . Maybe it was only those who were most certain > they were right who > were guaranteed to be wrong. And that maybe, just > maybe, those who > questioned the most were in the end those who came > closest to being wise." > [David Poyer, The Command] > > > > > "Tracy Carcione" <carcione@xxxxxxxxxx> > Sent by: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > 01/12/2008 03:40 PM > Please respond to > bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > To > bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > cc > > Subject > [bksvol-discuss] Re: Book without blank lines at > top/bottom of pages > > > > > > > Jake, > I thought there needed to be a blank line *after* > headers, and before > footers. Is this wrong? > So, I thought the page number had to be in the > first, or last line, of a > page, and, when it's on the top, be followed by a > blank line. > For an example, you could see my validations of The > Inimatble Jeeves, or > of The Catcher From Double-A. > > How depressing, if I've been doing it wrong all > these years. > Tracy > > > Hello, > > > > Pratik is correct in that blank lines at the tops > and bottoms of pages > > help ensure a high quality HTML file (derived from > the DAISY). I am not > > aware of any changes since we last observed that > this was accurate. Page > > headers/footers should be the first or last actual > text on the page. > After > > my signature, I have included the portion of the > volunteer manual that > > discusses this. > > > > Sincerely, > > Jake > > > > Jake Brownell > > jakeb@xxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > 3.3.6 Feel Free To Clean Up Running Headers And > Footers > > When a book is uploaded after validation, the Book > Is processed by a > tool > > which attempts to do four things: > > > > 1.. Identify recurring text at the top and > bottom of each page known > as > > "running headers and footers" > > 2.. Identify page numbers in the running headers > and footers > > 3.. Remove text from running headers and footers > > 4.. Process the page numbers to allow easier > navigation of DAISY books > > and include original page numbers in BRF books > > Volunteers can assist this tool by insuring that > headers and footers are > > consistent throughout the book. > > > > a.. Capitalization should be used consistently > throughout headers and > > footers > > b.. Tabs and spaces should be used consistently > throughout headers and > > footers > > c.. Page numbers and text in each header or > footer should be on the > same > > line > > d.. Page numbers should be separated from text > in a header or footer > by > > a space or tab > > Note that the text will be removed by the tool if > it is consistent, so > the > > easiest way to insure that the tool can identify > page numbers is to > remove > > the text from running headers and footers. This is > not only much easier > > for volunteers, but makes the tool's job simpler > as well. > > > > If you wish to clean up headers and footers, > please do the following for > > each page containing a header or footer: > > > > a.. Make sure that if a page contains a header > that the header is the > > first line of text on the page. > > b.. Make sure that if a page contains a footer > that the footer is the > > last line of text on the page. > > Note that lines containing punctuation marks or > symbols, such as hyphens > > and asterisks, are considered lines of text. > > > > The following will also help prevent issues with > page numbers in HTML > > files when creating an HTML file using the > Bookshare.org Unpack Tool: > > > > a.. Make sure there is a blank line before > headers > > b.. Make sure there is a blank line after > footers > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Pratik Patel > > To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 12:07 AM > > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Book without blank > lines at top/bottom > of > > pages > > > > > > Hello all, > > > > > > > > Based on the confusion, I'll do some tests over > the weekend and report > > back. > > > > > > > > Pratik > > > > > > > > > > > > From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On > Behalf Of Guido Corona > > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 9:43 PM > > To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Book without blank > lines at top/bottom > of > > pages > > > > > > > > > > Allison, the header processor is actually > supposed to eat up headers; > > it should then extract page numbers and place them > into the DAISY code, > > so that DAISY readers can go to the real page > 4456, instead of the > > 456th page from the beginning of the file. > > > > G. > > > > > > Guido Dante Corona > > IBM Research, > > Human Ability & Accessibility Center, (HA&AC) > > Austin Tx. > > Phone: 512. 838. 9735. > > Email: guidoc@xxxxxxxxxxx > > Web: http://www.ibm.com/able > > > > ". . . Maybe it was only those who were most > certain they were right > who > > were guaranteed to be wrong. And that maybe, just > maybe, those who > > questioned the most were in the end those who came > closest to being > > wise." > > [David Poyer, The Command] > > > > > > > > > > "Allison Hilliker" > <bookshare_girl@xxxxxxx> > > Sent by: > bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > 01/11/2008 06:06 PM > > > > Please respond to > > bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > To > > <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > cc > > > > Subject > > [bksvol-discuss] Re: Book without > blank lines at top/bottom > > of pages > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > I have been a validator for about 3 or 4 years > now and really don't > pay > > attention to blank line placements, and I've not > had any trouble with > > the > > stripper eating my page numbers. > > > > Best, > > Allison > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "E." <thoth93@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 2:14 PM > > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Book without blank > lines at top/bottom > of > > pages > > > > > > > How does this no needing of blank lines match > up with the need to > put > > in > > > blank lines around page breaks and page > numbers so that the stripper > > does > > > not remove said page numbers. If I am confused > I can only imagine > how > > new > > > validators feel. (sigh no grin) > > > > > > E. > > > > > > At 04:02 PM 1/11/2008, you wrote: > > >>Hi Sue, > > >> > > >>You bring up an important question. Let me > clarify what I meant in > my > > >>earlier post. Page breaks are absolutely > required. That has not > > change. > > >>I > > >>didn't mean to imply otherwise. What > Christine was asking about, or > > what > > >>I > > >>believe she was asking about, was whether or > not a blank line needed > > to be > > >>included at the beginning and end of every > page. These blank lines > > would > > >>be > > >>in addition to any page breaks. These blanks > are not necessary. In > > >>short, > > >>the page breaks are required, and the blank > lines are not. > > >> > > >>Hope this helps clear things up. > > >> > > >>Best, > > >> > > >>Allison Hilliker: > > >>Intern, Benetech (Bookshare.org). > > >>E-mail allisonh@xxxxxxxxxxxx > > >>www.bookshare.org > > >> > > >> > > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "siss52" > <siss52@xxxxxxxxxxx> > > >>To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > >>Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 12:37 PM > > >>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Book without > blank lines at top/bottom > > of > > >>pages > > >> > > >> > > >>> > > >>>Hi Allison, > > >>> > > >>>If this is true, has bookshare changed their > policy about page > > breaks? I > > >>>thought they were not accepting books that > lacked page breaks. > > >>> > > >>>Best, > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>Sue S. > > >>> > > >>>----- O > > >>>riginal Message ----- From: "Allison > Hilliker" > > <bookshare_girl@xxxxxxx> > > >>>To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > >>>Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 1:31 PM > > >>>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Book without > blank lines at > top/bottom > > of > > >>>pages > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>Hi Christine, > > >>> > > >>>A book not having blank lines at the > beginning and ends of pages is > > not > > >>>cause for rejection. True, the blanks can be > helpful, but they are > > not > > >>>necessary. I verified > > >>>this fact with another Bookshare staff > member. I'll also note that > > the > > >>>volunteer manual sets forth no requirements > relating to this issue. > > >>> > > >>>Best, > > >>> > > >>>Allison Hilliker: > > >>>Intern, Benetech (Bookshare.org). > > >>>E-mail allisonh@xxxxxxxxxxxx > > >>>www.bookshare.org > > >>> > > >>>To unsubscribe from this list send a blank > Email to > > >>>bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > >>>put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the > subject line. To get a > > list > > >>>of > > >>>available commands, put the word 'help' by > itself in the subject > > line. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>To unsubscribe from this list send a blank > Email to > > >>>bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > >>>put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the > subject line. 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