[bksvol-discuss] Re: Need to clarify header/footer processing logic
- From: Grandma Cindy <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 14:21:48 -0800 (PST)
If one reads it carefully (a big if I suppose) it's
clear. The header or footer would be the first or last
line of *text* if it's followed by a blank line, or
line space. grin
G.Cindy
--- Guido Corona <guidoc@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> The following lines in the volunteer manual may be
> some source of
> confusion:
>
> > a.. Make sure that if a page contains a header
> that the header is the
> > first line of text on the page.
> > b.. Make sure that if a page contains a footer
> that the footer is the
> > last line of text on the page.
>
>
> . . .
>
> > a.. Make sure there is a blank line before
> headers
> > b.. Make sure there is a blank line after
> footers
>
> As this is not exactly my understanding of the logic
> of the header/footer
> processor, I will seek a direct interpretation from
> the engineering
> department.
>
> G.
>
>
> Guido Dante Corona
> IBM Research,
> Human Ability & Accessibility Center, (HA&AC)
> Austin Tx.
> Phone: 512. 838. 9735.
> Email: guidoc@xxxxxxxxxxx
> Web: http://www.ibm.com/able
>
> ". . . Maybe it was only those who were most certain
> they were right who
> were guaranteed to be wrong. And that maybe, just
> maybe, those who
> questioned the most were in the end those who came
> closest to being wise."
> [David Poyer, The Command]
>
>
>
>
> "Tracy Carcione" <carcione@xxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent by: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> 01/12/2008 03:40 PM
> Please respond to
> bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>
> To
> bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> cc
>
> Subject
> [bksvol-discuss] Re: Book without blank lines at
> top/bottom of pages
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Jake,
> I thought there needed to be a blank line *after*
> headers, and before
> footers. Is this wrong?
> So, I thought the page number had to be in the
> first, or last line, of a
> page, and, when it's on the top, be followed by a
> blank line.
> For an example, you could see my validations of The
> Inimatble Jeeves, or
> of The Catcher From Double-A.
>
> How depressing, if I've been doing it wrong all
> these years.
> Tracy
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > Pratik is correct in that blank lines at the tops
> and bottoms of pages
> > help ensure a high quality HTML file (derived from
> the DAISY). I am not
> > aware of any changes since we last observed that
> this was accurate. Page
> > headers/footers should be the first or last actual
> text on the page.
> After
> > my signature, I have included the portion of the
> volunteer manual that
> > discusses this.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > Jake
> >
> > Jake Brownell
> > jakeb@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> >
> > 3.3.6 Feel Free To Clean Up Running Headers And
> Footers
> > When a book is uploaded after validation, the Book
> Is processed by a
> tool
> > which attempts to do four things:
> >
> > 1.. Identify recurring text at the top and
> bottom of each page known
> as
> > "running headers and footers"
> > 2.. Identify page numbers in the running headers
> and footers
> > 3.. Remove text from running headers and footers
> > 4.. Process the page numbers to allow easier
> navigation of DAISY books
> > and include original page numbers in BRF books
> > Volunteers can assist this tool by insuring that
> headers and footers are
> > consistent throughout the book.
> >
> > a.. Capitalization should be used consistently
> throughout headers and
> > footers
> > b.. Tabs and spaces should be used consistently
> throughout headers and
> > footers
> > c.. Page numbers and text in each header or
> footer should be on the
> same
> > line
> > d.. Page numbers should be separated from text
> in a header or footer
> by
> > a space or tab
> > Note that the text will be removed by the tool if
> it is consistent, so
> the
> > easiest way to insure that the tool can identify
> page numbers is to
> remove
> > the text from running headers and footers. This is
> not only much easier
> > for volunteers, but makes the tool's job simpler
> as well.
> >
> > If you wish to clean up headers and footers,
> please do the following for
> > each page containing a header or footer:
> >
> > a.. Make sure that if a page contains a header
> that the header is the
> > first line of text on the page.
> > b.. Make sure that if a page contains a footer
> that the footer is the
> > last line of text on the page.
> > Note that lines containing punctuation marks or
> symbols, such as hyphens
> > and asterisks, are considered lines of text.
> >
> > The following will also help prevent issues with
> page numbers in HTML
> > files when creating an HTML file using the
> Bookshare.org Unpack Tool:
> >
> > a.. Make sure there is a blank line before
> headers
> > b.. Make sure there is a blank line after
> footers
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Pratik Patel
> > To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 12:07 AM
> > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Book without blank
> lines at top/bottom
> of
> > pages
> >
> >
> > Hello all,
> >
> >
> >
> > Based on the confusion, I'll do some tests over
> the weekend and report
> > back.
> >
> >
> >
> > Pratik
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of Guido Corona
> > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 9:43 PM
> > To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Book without blank
> lines at top/bottom
> of
> > pages
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Allison, the header processor is actually
> supposed to eat up headers;
> > it should then extract page numbers and place them
> into the DAISY code,
> > so that DAISY readers can go to the real page
> 4456, instead of the
> > 456th page from the beginning of the file.
> >
> > G.
> >
> >
> > Guido Dante Corona
> > IBM Research,
> > Human Ability & Accessibility Center, (HA&AC)
> > Austin Tx.
> > Phone: 512. 838. 9735.
> > Email: guidoc@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > Web: http://www.ibm.com/able
> >
> > ". . . Maybe it was only those who were most
> certain they were right
> who
> > were guaranteed to be wrong. And that maybe, just
> maybe, those who
> > questioned the most were in the end those who came
> closest to being
> > wise."
> > [David Poyer, The Command]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Allison Hilliker"
> <bookshare_girl@xxxxxxx>
> > Sent by:
> bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >
> > 01/11/2008 06:06 PM
> >
> > Please respond to
> > bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >
> > To
> > <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >
> > cc
> >
> > Subject
> > [bksvol-discuss] Re: Book without
> blank lines at top/bottom
> > of pages
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I have been a validator for about 3 or 4 years
> now and really don't
> pay
> > attention to blank line placements, and I've not
> had any trouble with
> > the
> > stripper eating my page numbers.
> >
> > Best,
> > Allison
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "E." <thoth93@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 2:14 PM
> > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Book without blank
> lines at top/bottom
> of
> > pages
> >
> >
> > > How does this no needing of blank lines match
> up with the need to
> put
> > in
> > > blank lines around page breaks and page
> numbers so that the stripper
> > does
> > > not remove said page numbers. If I am confused
> I can only imagine
> how
> > new
> > > validators feel. (sigh no grin)
> > >
> > > E.
> > >
> > > At 04:02 PM 1/11/2008, you wrote:
> > >>Hi Sue,
> > >>
> > >>You bring up an important question. Let me
> clarify what I meant in
> my
> > >>earlier post. Page breaks are absolutely
> required. That has not
> > change.
> > >>I
> > >>didn't mean to imply otherwise. What
> Christine was asking about, or
> > what
> > >>I
> > >>believe she was asking about, was whether or
> not a blank line needed
> > to be
> > >>included at the beginning and end of every
> page. These blank lines
> > would
> > >>be
> > >>in addition to any page breaks. These blanks
> are not necessary. In
> > >>short,
> > >>the page breaks are required, and the blank
> lines are not.
> > >>
> > >>Hope this helps clear things up.
> > >>
> > >>Best,
> > >>
> > >>Allison Hilliker:
> > >>Intern, Benetech (Bookshare.org).
> > >>E-mail allisonh@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >>www.bookshare.org
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "siss52"
> <siss52@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >>To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >>Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 12:37 PM
> > >>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Book without
> blank lines at top/bottom
> > of
> > >>pages
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>>Hi Allison,
> > >>>
> > >>>If this is true, has bookshare changed their
> policy about page
> > breaks? I
> > >>>thought they were not accepting books that
> lacked page breaks.
> > >>>
> > >>>Best,
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>Sue S.
> > >>>
> > >>>----- O
> > >>>riginal Message ----- From: "Allison
> Hilliker"
> > <bookshare_girl@xxxxxxx>
> > >>>To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >>>Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 1:31 PM
> > >>>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Book without
> blank lines at
> top/bottom
> > of
> > >>>pages
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>Hi Christine,
> > >>>
> > >>>A book not having blank lines at the
> beginning and ends of pages is
> > not
> > >>>cause for rejection. True, the blanks can be
> helpful, but they are
> > not
> > >>>necessary. I verified
> > >>>this fact with another Bookshare staff
> member. I'll also note that
> > the
> > >>>volunteer manual sets forth no requirements
> relating to this issue.
> > >>>
> > >>>Best,
> > >>>
> > >>>Allison Hilliker:
> > >>>Intern, Benetech (Bookshare.org).
> > >>>E-mail allisonh@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >>>www.bookshare.org
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