I failed math but I think it goes something like y = a (1-b)x. 😊
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William Claybaugh
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Subject: [AR] Re: Vacuum processing of solid propellant
Anthony:
Yeah, I get that. But there must be some Prado optimal calculation as to what
is economic:
If five minutes gets a 4.7% improvement is there a theoretical basis for
estimating how much post processing vacuum time will get to, say, 80% of what
can be achieved with infinite post processing? I’m looking for an engineering
approximation here: how much additional post processing vacuum will get a
doubling of the measured increase in density, for example? Or do I just need
to run more tests at different vacuum processing times and estimate based on
the data.
Bill
On Sun, Jul 7, 2019 at 4:58 PM <anthony@xxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:anthony@xxxxxxxxxxx> > wrote:
Once you've whipped a polymer composition surrounding a bunch of solid
particles full of air, simple step processes like that won't remove much more
than what is visible. The volume to surface relationship of the dissolved
bubbles doesn't have anywhere near the amount of displacement pressure required
to overcome the fluid that's trapping it. It takes hours of mixing under vacuum
to expose the trapped air to disassociate it from the mix. You can subject a
mix to vacuum for days and if it's not turning over, the air will remain where
it is. It's best not to let it get in the mixture in the first place. You just
have to accept the fact that it's as good as it's going to get without
processing under vacuum from start to finish.
Anthony J. Cesaroni
President/CEO
Cesaroni Technology/Cesaroni Aerospace
http://www.cesaronitech.com/
(941) 360-3100 x101 Sarasota
(905) 887-2370 x222 Toronto
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Nice idea!
Troy
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Perhaps you could put the mix in a funnel and extrude it through a
small nozzle into the motor case in a vacuum chamber? With a rubber
ball floating on the surface to block the funnel as it goes empty.
The slender stream of paste should outgas quite well, and rapidly
reconsolidate into a bubble-free mass in the motor. Let it sit in
vacuum for a little while to settle, then slowly ramp up pressure and
any remaining bubbles should collapse completely.
