[optacon-l] Re: Sight Versus Blindness
- From: sue mangis <susanmangis@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: optacon-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2015 16:59:41 -0700
For an excellent discussion and the history of people regaining vision, read
Crashing Through by Robert Carson. It's the story of Mike May.
Sue Mangis
----- Original Message -----
From: Debbra Piening <debbra.piening@xxxxxxx>
To: optacon-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 2:47 pm
Subject: [optacon-l] Sight Versus Blindness
>
>
> Actually, I can understand how it could happen. Years ago, I had a friend
> whose vision had been restored. She told me that although it was nice to be
> able to see, she wasn't at all sure she would have had the surgery if she
> had known how difficult the adjustment would be. That gave me much to think
> about.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: optacon-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:optacon-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Anne Telfer
> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 2:26 PM
> To: optacon-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [optacon-l] Re: FW: About the Video TIM.
>
> Actually it did happen. It is not a legend.
>
> I think if I suddenly had sight I might find myself walking around with my
> eyes shut for a while.
>
> Anne
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jyrki Voutilainen" <jykke.voutilainen@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: "Optacon User List" <optacon-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 7:13 PM
> Subject: [optacon-l] Re: FW: About the Video TIM.
>
>
> > Sure. I try to understand the different point of view among other blind
> > born people than me, and I do definitely not want to prevent somebody to
> > be satisfied with their situation.
> >
> > I appologize if I've seemed to be non-understanding, but the same
> > arguments have been told over and over again for not willing to see; what
> > you've never had, you can't miss etc. etc. Somebody who has gained sight
> > after being blind is told to have committed suicide. In one of my recent
> > posts I called this just a legend.
> >
> > Perhaps I'm some kind of a dissident among blind born people? conwere
> >
> > On Tue, 17 Mar 2015, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
> >
> >> Jyrki, I agree with your assessment. I joke about having to work twice as
> >> hard to do half as much.
> >>
> >> As old as I am, I think that the way you state it is right, but
> >> understand
> >> that if someone else feels otherwise, well then, it works for them.
> >>
> >> GIFT (God is forever true),
> >>
> >> Carolyn
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Jyrki Voutilainen" <jykke.voutilainen@xxxxxxxxx>
> >> To: "Optacon User List" <optacon-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 1:08 PM
> >> Subject: [optacon-l] Re: FW: About the Video TIM.
> >>
> >>
> >>> I had to read your post below twice in order to fully understand what
> >>> you
> >>> mean, but if I ever had to be without vision, I would rather have seen
> >>> during my so called active period of my life and lost my vision little
> >>> by
> >>> little while loosing something else too. And I do fully agree with your
> >>> comparison; wanting not to see is like wanting to be sick.
> >>>
> >>> Being without something as natural as vision all your life is nothing to
> >>> envy despite of whatever skills you may have. Despite these skills you
> >>> have to work many many times harder just to cope with quite ordinary
> >>> things that sighted people don't have to worry about that much.
> >>>
> >>> I have thought that not willing to see or claiming that is some kind of
> >>> self defence, some kind of unwillingness to admit the truth.
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, 17 Mar 2015, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> It's hard to imagine not wanting to see. That sounds like wanting to be
> >>>> sick
> >>>> and not wanting to be well to me. I never had perfect vision, only
> >>>> partial
> >>>> and not really good partial vision, but I used it to the max. I'm glad
> >>>> I
> >>>> had
> >>>> what I had as long as I had it.
> >>>>
> >>>> Another personal opinion that I feel strongly about is being better off
> >>>> never to have seen. I think that is almost an insult, but have learned
> >>>> tolerance. So, now I say something like, granted, I have a far more
> >>>> active
> >>>> old age and probably better life than someone sighted for a life time,
> >>>> that
> >>>> loses sight, but think of all the years that person had on me, could
> >>>> drive,
> >>>> run, look into the faces of loved ones, see body language, have all the
> >>>> advantages of sight, while I did not.
> >>>>
> >>>> GIFT (God is forever true),
> >>>>
> >>>> Carolyn
> >>>>
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> From: "Jyrki Voutilainen" <jykke.voutilainen@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>>> To: "Optacon User List" <optacon-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 5:39 AM
> >>>> Subject: [optacon-l] Re: FW: About the Video TIM.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Mon, 16 Mar 2015, Fran wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Most blind people simply are not interested in such a device, God
> >>>>>> only
> >>>>>> knows
> >>>>>> why.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You are unfortunately right.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Many or even most blind born people also claim that they never
> >>>>> wish
> >>>>> to see, and God only knows why. I have dreamed about artificial, or
> >>>>> whatever, vision since I was young.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> When I ask such people why they are unwilling to see, they say that
> >>>>> they
> >>>>> don't miss something that they've never had. I understand this only
> >>>>> partially, because they must know that most people do see.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> But fortunately some blind born people also say that they could think
> >>>>> about testing an artificial vision with an On/Off option and with the
> >>>>> opportunity to interrupt the test whenever they wish.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Jyrki Voutilainen
> >>>>> mailto:jykke.voutilainen@xxxxxxxxx
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