[optacon-l] Re: Sight Versus Blindness
- From: Jyrki Voutilainen <jykke.voutilainen@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: Optacon User List <optacon-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2015 15:01:52 +0200
This unfortunately confirms what a local eye professional told me when I
visited him in 2009 concerning artificial vision. He told me that by now
this can't be done to me because of lacking visual memory in my brain.
Why not a self-driving car, but why not gaining vision too?
On Wed, 18 Mar 2015, Steve wrote:
> I think a lot of the research concludes that if one lost their sight before
> aged 5 or so, then the adjustment is almost impossible. Short of miraculous
> intervention, the image processing and interpretative correlations have been
> formed by the optic nerve and visual cortex by that time.
> This is butressed by Mike May's experiences when he had his vision restored
> in his mid-forties. He had lost it around age 4 in a chemical mishap. The
> last chapter of his book "Crashing Through" written by Robert Kurson
> discusses this in a lot more depth. What I recall is the hand-eye
> coordination stuff like playing catch was good, but you couldn't recognize
> what would appear to be basic stuff like the gender of a person walking down
> the street.
>
> I'm really anticipating a self-driving car more than a restoration of my
> vision.
>
> Now, people who lost their sight even after the age of ten may likely have
> much different experiences. Some of the vision restoration done with a
> bionic eye in the Netherlands appears to have found better results with
> people who lst their vision later in life.
>
> Steve
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Evan Reese
> To: optacon-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 5:55 PM
> Subject: [optacon-l] Re: Sight Versus Blindness
>
>
> Hmmm, I'd be more than happy to have the opportunity to find out whether or
> not I could adjust to vision. And, if, unlikely as it sounds to me right
> now, it turned out that I could not adjust to it, well, it wouldn't bee all
> that difficult to return to my current condition. <smile>
>
> Evan
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Debbra Piening
> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 5:47 PM
> To: optacon-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [optacon-l] Sight Versus Blindness
>
> Actually, I can understand how it could happen. Years ago, I had a friend
> whose vision had been restored. She told me that although it was nice to be
> able to see, she wasn't at all sure she would have had the surgery if she
> had known how difficult the adjustment would be. That gave me much to think
> about.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: optacon-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:optacon-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Anne Telfer
> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 2:26 PM
> To: optacon-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [optacon-l] Re: FW: About the Video TIM.
>
> Actually it did happen. It is not a legend.
>
> I think if I suddenly had sight I might find myself walking around with my
> eyes shut for a while.
>
> Anne
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jyrki Voutilainen" <jykke.voutilainen@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: "Optacon User List" <optacon-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 7:13 PM
> Subject: [optacon-l] Re: FW: About the Video TIM.
>
>
>> Sure. I try to understand the different point of view among other blind
>> born people than me, and I do definitely not want to prevent somebody to
>> be satisfied with their situation.
>>
>> I appologize if I've seemed to be non-understanding, but the same
>> arguments have been told over and over again for not willing to see; what
>> you've never had, you can't miss etc. etc. Somebody who has gained sight
>> after being blind is told to have committed suicide. In one of my recent
>> posts I called this just a legend.
>>
>> Perhaps I'm some kind of a dissident among blind born people? :)
>>
>> On Tue, 17 Mar 2015, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
>>
>>> Jyrki, I agree with your assessment. I joke about having to work twice as
>>> hard to do half as much.
>>>
>>> As old as I am, I think that the way you state it is right, but
>>> understand
>>> that if someone else feels otherwise, well then, it works for them.
>>>
>>> GIFT (God is forever true),
>>>
>>> Carolyn
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Jyrki Voutilainen" <jykke.voutilainen@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: "Optacon User List" <optacon-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 1:08 PM
>>> Subject: [optacon-l] Re: FW: About the Video TIM.
>>>
>>>
>>>> I had to read your post below twice in order to fully understand what
>>>> you
>>>> mean, but if I ever had to be without vision, I would rather have seen
>>>> during my so called active period of my life and lost my vision little
>>>> by
>>>> little while loosing something else too. And I do fully agree with your
>>>> comparison; wanting not to see is like wanting to be sick.
>>>>
>>>> Being without something as natural as vision all your life is nothing to
>>>> envy despite of whatever skills you may have. Despite these skills you
>>>> have to work many many times harder just to cope with quite ordinary
>>>> things that sighted people don't have to worry about that much.
>>>>
>>>> I have thought that not willing to see or claiming that is some kind of
>>>> self defence, some kind of unwillingness to admit the truth.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, 17 Mar 2015, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It's hard to imagine not wanting to see. That sounds like wanting to be
>>>>> sick
>>>>> and not wanting to be well to me. I never had perfect vision, only
>>>>> partial
>>>>> and not really good partial vision, but I used it to the max. I'm glad
>>>>> I
>>>>> had
>>>>> what I had as long as I had it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Another personal opinion that I feel strongly about is being better off
>>>>> never to have seen. I think that is almost an insult, but have learned
>>>>> tolerance. So, now I say something like, granted, I have a far more
>>>>> active
>>>>> old age and probably better life than someone sighted for a life time,
>>>>> that
>>>>> loses sight, but think of all the years that person had on me, could
>>>>> drive,
>>>>> run, look into the faces of loved ones, see body language, have all the
>>>>> advantages of sight, while I did not.
>>>>>
>>>>> GIFT (God is forever true),
>>>>>
>>>>> Carolyn
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Jyrki Voutilainen" <jykke.voutilainen@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> To: "Optacon User List" <optacon-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 5:39 AM
>>>>> Subject: [optacon-l] Re: FW: About the Video TIM.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, 16 Mar 2015, Fran wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Most blind people simply are not interested in such a device, God
>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>> knows
>>>>>>> why.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You are unfortunately right.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Many -- or even most -- blind born people also claim that they never
>>>>>> wish
>>>>>> to see, and God only knows why. I have dreamed about artificial, or
>>>>>> whatever, vision since I was young.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When I ask such people why they are unwilling to see, they say that
>>>>>> they
>>>>>> don't miss something that they've never had. I understand this only
>>>>>> partially, because they must know that most people do see.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But fortunately some blind born people also say that they could think
>>>>>> about testing an artificial vision with an On/Off option and with the
>>>>>> opportunity to interrupt the test whenever they wish.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Jyrki Voutilainen
>>>>>> mailto:jykke.voutilainen@xxxxxxxxx
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