[bksvol-discuss] Re: An alternative to validating fair quality submissions
- From: "Pratik Patel" <pratikp1@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 03:43:22 -0500
No they will not. But those are quick things that one can try and look at
before exhausting oneself on a particular book. As to the sentence
problem--while there may not an automatic way of detecting it, it could be
easily discovered if the book has a chronic sentence issue by going through
a few random pages. I always use 10-15 random pages as a guide for books
which I have no interest in reading.
Pratik
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But neither of those will work, will they? if the
problem is that words are missing from sentences or
parts of sentences are cut off because the scanner
didn't hold down the book firmly enough at the
binding, or the errors are real words but not right
for the context of the sentence?
G.Cindy
>
>
> Jackie, are you working with Kurzweil? It can
> quickly tell you a book's
> accuracy. . . . and in general, if you think the
> book is not good enough
> for human consumption, it usually is because it
> isn't.
>
> If you have no Kurzweil, you can still check
> through bookshare the quality
> of the book. Try to upload it temporarily -- i
> suggest the unedited
> original. On the validation panel, the Bookshare
> system will report the
> accuracy of the book. If the system reports more
> than 0.7% of words not to
> be in the dictionary, the book is not 'excellent.
> If more than 1.4% of
> words are not in the dictionary, the book is not
> even 'good'.
>
> If you found the book to be 'exceelent' or 'good',
> just close Internet
> Explorer to cancel the validation transaction and
> continue with your
> editing. If the book falls significantly into the
> 'fair' region, . . . .
> well, you know, I am totally heartless and would
> simply proceed with a
> rejection and so would nuke it without a second
> thought.
>
> G.
>
>
> Guido Dante Corona
> IBM Research,
> Human Ability & Accessibility Center, (HA&AC)
> Austin Tx.
> Phone: 512. 838. 9735.
> Email: guidoc@xxxxxxxxxxx
> Web: <http://www.ibm.com/able>
> http://www.ibm.com/able
>
> ". . . Maybe it was only those who were most certain
> they were right who
> were guaranteed to be wrong. And that maybe, just
> maybe, those who
> questioned the most were in the end those who came
> closest to being wise."
> [David Poyer, The Command]
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> "Jackie McBride" <abletec@xxxxxxxxx>
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> I'll tell yall what, folks--I am absolutely utterly
> & profoundly
> astounded at how much cleaning up of this book I'm
> doing that was
> rated frickin excellent on step 1! Somehow it just
> does not seem quite
> right-- oodles & oodles ofspurious characters, quite
> a few letters
> messed up, & I'm rather suspecting even some missing
> pages, though
> it's hard to prove cuz the numbers jive but not the
> text. Another
> quarter per hour project. Or less--Lol! & I'll tell
> yall what some
> more--if I paid for a membership & downloaded this
> book in the
> condition it's in now, I would be sooo royally
> torked! So even those
> books w/excellent ratings--'taint necessarily so.
> Bookshare really
> needs to get a prevalidating tool up & running. Or
> maybe it's just
> that I'm a perfectionist & I need to quit worrying
> about it, do the
> minimum, & throw it back up w/all the garbage
> intact. I somehow just
> cannot bring myself to do it. I really think a
> prevalidating tool &
> refusal to accept books (at least for credit) that
> aren't good (or
> maybe even excellent) quality would be a real start.
> As it is now, q&d
> validators & scanners get credits quickly (so long
> as the stuff isn't
> rejected) while those who are careful about their
> work struggle to get
> theirs.
>
> On 1/14/08, Allison Hilliker
> <bookshare_girl@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > If one does follow Donna's suggestion of
> submitting excellent copies of
> fair
> > quality books on the step one page, I have one
> request. Please submit
> your
> > excellent copy to the step one page before
> rejecting the fair quality
> scan.
> > I say this because I know of scanners who reject
> books because they say
> they
> > will submit a better scan, and then they don't do
> it.
> >
> > Just my thoughts,
> >
> > Allison
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Donna Smith" <donnafsmith@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 8:22 AM
> > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] An alternative to
> validating fair quality
> > submissions
> >
> >
> > > Hi all.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I apologize in advance if this suggestion
> ruffles feathers, but it is
> made
> > > in the spirit of getting excellent quality books
> into the collection.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I am one of the volunteers who believes that
> "validating" a book
> shouldn't
> > > involve rewriting it because the scan is poor.
> There are some books
> which
> > > have strange formatting or difficult tables and
> charts or other things
> > > that
> > > typically don't scan well and the only way to
> get such books into the
> > > collection is in fact for a very patient
> validator to go through the
> whole
> > > book and fix problematic errors that a rescan
> won't fix.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > However, there are a lot of books on the step
> one download page that are
> > > just straightforward text, fiction or
> nonfiction, that should scan with
> no
> > > problems, but are rated as fair. In my opinion,
> it is a waste of
> > > volunteer
> > > time and effort to have a validator make these
> scans passable.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > So here's my alternative. If I, or any other
> scanner, obtains a copy of
> a
> > > book that is currently awaiting validation and
> rated fair, would it be
> > > appropriate for us to download the fair copy,
> reject it, and then upload
> a
> > > better scan of the same book?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Thoughts? Ideas? No rotten tomatoes please!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Donna
> > >
> > >
> >
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