[bksvol-discuss] Re: An alternative to validating fair quality submissions
- From: Guido Corona <guidoc@xxxxxxxxxx>
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- Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 21:23:24 -0600
Have you tried using grayscale at 400 DPI? It is usually more forgiving
of vertically skewed margins. Guido
Guido Dante Corona
IBM Research,
Human Ability & Accessibility Center, (HA&AC)
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Phone: 512. 838. 9735.
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". . . Maybe it was only those who were most certain they were right who
were guaranteed to be wrong. And that maybe, just maybe, those who
questioned the most were in the end those who came closest to being wise."
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I checked the page just to see for myself. 1108 characters in 207 words
according to K1000 V11.01. If the misrecognitions or unrecognitions were
evenly scattered, it might not be unbearable, but they weren't evenly
dispersed. The problem with this page was very tight margins. I tried it
landscape and portrait with no difference either way.
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>A book with an accuracy of 99.1% has an average of 1 word in 1,000 not
> found in the dictionary, meaning one word every couple of pages, or so.
> While this may be at the low end of 'excellent' it's still pretty darn
> good, and should not be rejected based on 'low' text accuracy. If the
> book had missing pages, and it were not possible to obtain the missing
> pages, that would be a different ball of wax.
>
> G.
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> Guido Dante Corona
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> Austin Tx.
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> ". . . Maybe it was only those who were most certain they were right who
> were guaranteed to be wrong. And that maybe, just maybe, those who
> questioned the most were in the end those who came closest to being
wise."
> [David Poyer, The Command]
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> Gary,
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> Were there a lot of proper names in the book that
> might have thrown off the ranking? 99.1 seems pretty
> high to me, so I don't see why you think that would
> have to be rejected?
>
> I do read the books I validate, (except for two in the
> past) line for line, word for word, which is how I
> find missing words in sentences and scanning errors
> that are proper words but not proper in that
> particular context. This is to be expected by a
> validator, because scanning machines are not perfect.
> They are thrown off, I think, by the size of the type
> on the page, how close together the words are on the
> page, and the quality of the page's paper.
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> As I said, I don't understand why you think the book
> with 99.1 ranking would have had to be rejected.
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> G.Cindy
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> --- Gary Petraccaro <garyp130@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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>> I've just had one enlightening experience with a
>> book I've already done. I
>> found a page missing and rerequested this book on
>> library loan. When I got
>> it I did the missing page. I couldn't get it above
>> 99.1 no matter what I
>> did. This must have been a different copy because
>> if the whole book had
>> been like this, I'd have had to read the whole book,
>> line, by line, retyping
>> as I went. There's no other way to fix this kind of
>> problem and if we
>> encounter a book like this where the whole book is
>> envolved, that book will
>> have to be left behind.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Grandma Cindy" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 10:49 PM
>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: An alternative to
>> validating fair quality
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>> > No validator would object to validating a book
>> like
>> > that, Gary. We expect to do some work, and feel
>> guilty
>> > if there's nothing to do but enjoy the read,
>> > especially now that there's equal pay.
>> >
>> > I read what I validate, and can tell you that even
>> > with 99.4 accuracy but will be something for me to
>> do,
>> > because even the K1000 ranked spelling won't catch
>> > homonyms or the number 1 for the capital I or some
>> > other things I can't think of at the moment. smile
>> >
>> > G.Cindy
>> >
>> > --- Gary Petraccaro <garyp130@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >
>> >> I've tried it both ways and emotionally prefer a
>> >> clean scan, but i must say
>> >> that there were times when I carried it too far.
>> If
>> >> I can get pages to
>> >> about 99.4 accuracy, there's a good chance that I
>> >> will have pages which can
>> >> be cleaned up with not too much work--certainly
>> no
>> >> more work than the time
>> >> it would take to optimize a book and probably
>> >> somewhat less. I did one
>> >> book, optimizing all the way, and it was not an
>> >> experience I'd willing
>> >> repeat. Btw, I will submit this book as soon as
>> I
>> >> can read through and,
>> >> since it has a few graphs, I will ask someone
>> >> sighted to take a look at a
>> >> print copy and help out. Not at all a long book,
>> >> 250 pages, but a few
>> >> graphs.
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Mayrie ReNae" <mrenae@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 12:39 PM
>> >> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: An alternative to
>> >> validating fair quality
>> >> submissions
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > Hi Donna,
>> >> >
>> >> > I personally, think it is a great idea. I have
>> >> been disheartened lately
>> >> > at the number of fair and good submissions on
>> the
>> >> step 1 page awaiting
>> >> > validation. Chances are that a rescan of a
>> book
>> >> raited fair would take
>> >> > less time than actually fixing a scan of less
>> than
>> >> excellent quality.
>> >> >
>> >> > Peace,
>> >> > Mayrie
>> >> >
>> >> > At 07:22 AM 1/12/2008, you wrote:
>> >> >>Hi all.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>I apologize in advance if this suggestion
>> ruffles
>> >> feathers, but it is made
>> >> >>in the spirit of getting excellent quality
>> books
>> >> into the collection.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>I am one of the volunteers who believes that
>> >> "validating" a book shouldn't
>> >> >>involve rewriting it because the scan is poor.
>> >> There are some books which
>> >> >>have strange formatting or difficult tables and
>> >> charts or other things
>> >> >>that typically don't scan well and the only way
>> to
>> >> get such books into the
>> >> >>collection is in fact for a very patient
>> validator
>> >> to go through the whole
>> >> >>book and fix problematic errors that a rescan
>> >> won't fix.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>However, there are a lot of books on the step
>> one
>> >> download page that are
>> >> >>just straightforward text, fiction or
>> nonfiction,
>> >> that should scan with no
>> >> >>problems, but are rated as fair. In my
>> opinion,
>> >> it is a waste of
>> >> >>volunteer time and effort to have a validator
>> make
>> >> these scans passable.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>So here's my alternative. If I, or any other
>> >> scanner, obtains a copy of a
>> >> >>book that is currently awaiting validation and
>> >> rated fair, would it be
>> >> >>appropriate for us to download the fair copy,
>> >> reject it, and then upload a
>> >> >>better scan of the same book?
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Thoughts? Ideas? No rotten tomatoes please!
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Donna
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