I'd like to point out the FAA is not in the business of world record keeping. They of course approve all the US launches but they are not collecting data for world record purposes. The Army/military are also non participants in non military record keeping. The FIA is the "Official" records keeping body. Yeah the FAA recently took FPV (using a live camera on an aircraft for flight beyond line of sight) privileges away in part due to some of our high altitude flights. We can still get a waiver to do these operations but now that is required. I acknowledge the RRS would be a good reason for the FAA to get involved at least we can still get waivers for rocket flights. We are now using ADS-B to assist in avoidance (I think it would be good for all rocket launches these days) I also think passive radar will soon be useful to us. Right now I'm waiting on the release of the "Airspy" a interesting small SDR (software defined radio) USB dongle. It has a provision for using a single time clock and the software is being developed that will allow 4 of these to use terrestrial digital TV transmissions as the source. I believe we are now very close to having passive radar to add to our tools. Monroe > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [AR] Re: arocket Digest V2 #163 - Just where does space start? > From: Bill Claybaugh <wclaybaugh2@xxxxxxxxxx> > Date: Mon, September 01, 2014 7:56 am > To: "arocket@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <arocket@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Cc: "arocket@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <arocket@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > All of the launches discussed here were licensed by the FAA, excepting the > recent White Sands launch, which I assume fell under military jurisdiction. > > The RRS dart is a licensing special case because the current rules were not > in place when that launch occurred--that launch was licensed by FAA Seattle > in accord with the then rules. > > The rules changed, btw, because of the CATS Prize; FAA HQ > became--reasonably--concerned that metal bits falling hundreds of thousands > of feet might be a danger, and so they extended their jurisdiction of amateur > launches above controlled airspace. > > Bill > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 1, 2014, at 9:42, snyder@xxxxxxxxxx wrote: > > > > > "I rarely speak, but when I do... it's generally useless" > > > > I have to wade in on the 'Definition of Space' question: > > The FCC defined a 'Space Station', in this case > > radio station, as being anything above 50km. > > > > This probably has the backing of the ITU, which is also the group > > that give the equatorial countries the right to license > > the Geostationary slots by claiming them all. It could be > > argued that this definition might be the most internationally > > recognized definition. > > > > Personally I'm not sure I care, but it does raise the question > > if these launches were breaking the law and therefor rogue, not > > amateur. > > > > > > -Gar. > > > > PS. Monroe, I worked on a ducted rocket for a couple of years and > > was not impressed. To make it work right, you need variable > > geometry, and then it still is heavy. > > > >