All of the launches discussed here were licensed by the FAA, excepting the recent White Sands launch, which I assume fell under military jurisdiction. The RRS dart is a licensing special case because the current rules were not in place when that launch occurred--that launch was licensed by FAA Seattle in accord with the then rules. The rules changed, btw, because of the CATS Prize; FAA HQ became--reasonably--concerned that metal bits falling hundreds of thousands of feet might be a danger, and so they extended their jurisdiction of amateur launches above controlled airspace. Bill Sent from my iPhone On Sep 1, 2014, at 9:42, snyder@xxxxxxxxxx wrote: > > "I rarely speak, but when I do... it's generally useless" > > I have to wade in on the 'Definition of Space' question: > The FCC defined a 'Space Station', in this case > radio station, as being anything above 50km. > > This probably has the backing of the ITU, which is also the group > that give the equatorial countries the right to license > the Geostationary slots by claiming them all. It could be > argued that this definition might be the most internationally > recognized definition. > > Personally I'm not sure I care, but it does raise the question > if these launches were breaking the law and therefor rogue, not > amateur. > > > -Gar. > > PS. Monroe, I worked on a ducted rocket for a couple of years and > was not impressed. To make it work right, you need variable > geometry, and then it still is heavy. > >