Jared, I won't comment on Language, but OTS has been relatively very good in = my experience. Some problems take way too long to get resolved and some = of those never do get there. I personally believe they place way too = much dependency on your being on the latest & greatest version, = especially when they know the third party vendor your dealing with = doesn't support the latest release. As for internal stuff, Steve is = above all the guru of the internals. Read his books, disagree with him = on some points, but then I disagree with OTS on what's happening inside = sometimes as well. Sometimes I win, sometimes I lose. It's all in a = days work. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA ---------------------------------------------------------------- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com ---------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send email to: oracle-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx put 'unsubscribe' in the subject line. -- Archives are at //www.freelists.org/archives/oracle-l/ FAQ is at //www.freelists.org/help/fom-serve/cache/1.html -----------------------------------------------------------------