Re: Oracle 911 Article

  • From: Mogens Nørgaard <mln@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 01:36:55 +0100

Permission to disagree slightly?

When you're Oracle Consulting, and you don't train your people, they might leave if they can find better work somewhere else. But they usually can't, because the benefits of being in OC (access to the intranet, latest versions, blah, blah, blah) could seem very good compared to, say, Cap.

Mogens

Cary Millsap wrote:

When you're Oracle Consulting, if you don't train your people, people
leave. A lot of people of course leave even when you do... But those
guys have a tough time of keeping good technical people, because since
they're a product company, they have to hit higher margins than their
pure-consulting competitors (Accenture, etc.). Oracle Consulting has to
make up the difference either in higher rates, or higher billable
utilization per consultant. Of course, choosing the higher utilization
option accelerates the burnout phenonenon...


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-----Original Message----- From: oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mladen Gogala Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 11:41 PM To: oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Re: Oracle 911 Article


On 03/07/2004 12:21:55 AM, Cary Millsap wrote:


Expected revenue for an Oracle consultant was about 4x salary, but

only


about 1.3x the company's actual cost of the employee, when you include
things like benefits, bonuses, training, management, administrative,
legal, and so on. It's a rough business to try to stay in.



As Bob Dylan would sing, the times have changed. Very few companies
are actually willing to pay for training, because there is a good
quality
talent literally on the street. Database professionals, just like
everybody else, are expected to train themselves, buy their own books
and play with their own machines. It isn't fair, but it does cut down
the competition. If these hard times last for another year, very few
people will actually know how to manage Oracle 10g. Consequently, there
will be very few qualified DBAs/data managers/performance analysts. Oracle pulling out of the
business will actually help to those who remain standing. I must confess that I
would be afraid to live from contract to contract these days and
that I've looked for safe harbor. I hope to stay in shape and resume
contracting once the situation improves. I believe that small and medium
size companies will not find economic justification in outsourcing and
that more and more small companies will need to have an overall
DBA/performance
analyst/data manager who will even do some development with the tools like DBI or PHP, the language that I'm learning right now. Once the
smoke
clears, it's going to be much better.

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