Hi Doug, What you & Jim are describing is a typical monitor reaction that happens over time. The Apple 17" could simply be loose solder; the bain of the Mac Plus etc.; but I doubt that that is the KDS Viewsonic problem. I urge you to take a trip to Terry's in Parkhill. He deals with KDS & they have a pretty good warranty etc. & he may be able to fix the Apple monitor. Of course, if the fix it cost is too high the used 17" @$89 at the Horton Street store would be a logical choice. Add a converter for the Apple monitor machine @ $15-20. Fly Backs can easily run $200 +. HTH. TTFN, TeeC Users can subscribe to the List by sending an email to <muglo-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> with 'subscribe' in the Subject field Users can unsubscribe from the List by sending an email to <muglo-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field Users must send messages or replies to <muglo@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> All messages are archived so that you can view them at any time by going to <//www.freelists.org/archives/muglo> Problems concerning use of the FreeList should be sent to <paulthomas@xxxxxxx> Don't forget to periodically check our web site at: http://muglo.on.ca/