- Actually -- I was being funny. LOL BUT.. No. No vacillating here. We like numbers lol. Just haven't had much time and it's a killer watching others who have been doing this for six months have twice as many finds as we have after 3 1/2 years. Numbers, numbers, numbers ... we like numbers. While we may not have as many finds, we try to assuage our jealousy by focusing on longevity and internet fringe activity related to geocaching -- like this email list for example, and that simply by being around we've amassed some kind of . something ... or .. other. As for journeys, darn, we seem to have a "journey" whether it's a micro on a signpost or a climb up rocks on Needles Highway. Often times we have a "journey" regardless of our goal NOT to have one. Our journeys include twice being locked out of our car (once without a phone in 15 degree weather) as well as that walk to the waterfall we wouldn't have found had it not been for caching. We honestly have only ONE cache that we could say "it's not about the numbers" -- part one of "A Tale of Two Parks." We FINALLY found part one and after that, that's all we needed lol. THAT journey was behind us. FOR GOOD! (Sorry Rich) Wait -- maybe we're just dolts with stories. There are times we say cache in spite of ourselves. LOL Nancy -----Original Message----- From: geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of cunning linguist Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 12:57 PM To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [GeoStL] NFR (not food related) Re: Geocaching Ethics Question - Mike's comment, "I guess it was up to the individual" is the point i was = trying to make. Do what feels right. Nancy- it's not about the nu= mbers was a reference to the webpage of the same name. I believe we all v= acillate on this. I know that I publicly declare; that to me, the journey= is the reward, not the scorecard =E2=80=A6 yet, i have on occasion been = vested in a race with other chachers comparingstats daily, all the while= we would be telling each other we're notcompeting. ------ O= riginal Message ------ Received: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 01:34:56 PM EDT From: "Mike Griffin" To: Subject: [GeoStL] Re: Geocaching Ethics Question - Bac= k in the day, we use to have event caches that were set up for the event.= These were placed with all the rules as a regular cache. Therefore, = they were .1 mile from the next cache, etc... We didn't want to leave= these as permanent for various reasons. However, those that wanted t= o log them, did so. Nothing wrong in logging a cache that you sign th= e log book for and as long as it follows all the guidelines of GC.COM= =2E Well, people starting abusing it. I believe Geowoodstock was the = first place where you could log a person walking around that had a GC= # on their shirt, car, ear rigns, etc.. It became even more abusive = across the country so we banned it. Temp Caches were designed to = enhance an event. Not stack numbers. If I walked 20 miles to get 30 t= emp caches, I felt I could log them. Others wouldn't log unless they = had a GC number assigned to them. I guess it was up to the individual= =2E Mike Tired of Spam?? Here's your solution.. S= ee: http://www.spamarrest.com/affl?4001050 "Guys, the red thingy = is heading for the green thingy. I think the green thingy is us." - Guy, from Galaxy Quest... ----- Original Message ----- From: "= cunning linguist" <_rnx_@xxxxxxx> To: Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 12:21 PM Subject: [GeoStL] Re: Ge= ocaching Ethics Question - The whole idea of dropping= and retrieving TBs and coins "for milage" is foofooed but generally = accepted. Personally I've never understood it and =3D would only = drop a bug if i left it behind. How about distributing printed pages=3D of coins at events for people to discover even when they never act= ually touc=3D hed or saw the coin?? but i feel we're spli= tting hairs ... so ... Can someone tell me the story of Steve's L= OTEC cache? http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?wp=3D= 3DGCKQ54&log=3D3Dy And how did so many people log GCKAH3 50+ = times in one day? Some of them =3D i recognize as SLAGA Leadershi= p Team and premier area cachers. I know their=3D logs say MOGA #1= Moga #2 etc, but, if all these MOGA caches were not published=3D the= n there seems to be an appearance of impropriety. I know it's= not a competition, and it's not about the numbers, and i've contradi= cted my previous post on this thread, but we seem to be discussin=3D = g honour among thieves .... ------ Original Message ------ Received: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 08:08:58 PM EDT From: "Robert Oelschlaeg= er" To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject= : [GeoStL] Re: Geocaching Ethics Question - "Adam, wouldn't y= ou like to have a taste of this luscious-looking apple?"=3D -- I'= m sure the story went something like that. I agree with Kevin. I've b= een deleting this thread when it popped up once=3D , twice and th= en a third time. The TBs weren't in the caches, they can't be log= ged as having been there (unless your name is Foo Foo the Snoo). = That's my 2=3DA2 worth. It's a shame that they went all that = distance and can only log having visited a virtual cache, but that's = what happens sometimes :-( Bob (aka roelsch) On 3/16/07, = kolaughlin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote: > = >- >If It was me, I log them all in the v-cache and then log = them all out. >That >the only cache you did. Just my thou= ght. You just have to hate those tr=3D ips >where you can't g= et your geocaching in, dont ya? :) Kevin K-TEAM >----- Original M= essage ----- >From: fourfeld@xxxxxxx >To: geocaching@free= lists.org >Sent: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 17:25:30 -0400 >Subject= : [GeoStL] Geocaching Ethics Question > >- >I'm fi= shing for opinions. > >Cathy and I have just returned from= a cruise around the southern tip of=3D >SouthAmerica. I had = some bugs and coins with me that I wanted to trade,=3D or >at= least get them some mileage. The geocaching turned out to be a big &g= t; disappointment. We visited four countries and travelled over 4000 naut= i=3D cal >miles over fourteen days, and in all that time we w= ere only able to log=3D >one >virtual cache. The loca= tiions of the caches in relation to our ports of=3D >call >just weren't conducive to geocaching. (As a side note, we substitut= ed t=3D he >time we would have spent looking for caches with = time spent looking for=3D >our >luggage. The airlines= lost it and it didn't catch up with us until day >nine >= of the cruise.) > >My question is this.... Would it be acc= eptable to log the bugs and coin=3D s >in >and out of= the cache nearest to our ports of call so that they can get >cre= ditfor the miles traveled even though I did not find the caches. In &= gt; some >cases the closest I got to a cache was 20 or 30 miles. = Naturally I woul=3D d >log >these as a note and would= not claim a find for myself. > >Let me know what you thin= k. >Mark >Sniper1 > > >____________= ___________________________________________________________=3D _ = >AOL now offers free email to everyone. 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