[GeoStL] Re: MOGA 2008 Ideas and Concerns...
- From: "Gale R. Nie" <showme69@xxxxxxxx>
- To: <geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 15:27:09 -0500
-
March or June, who's going to know? They can't check her ID. ;-)
Glad to hear she's coming home. I'm sure she'll be happy to be back.
Gale
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim and Pam" <timpam2mocachers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 11:46 AM
Subject: [GeoStL] Re: MOGA 2008 Ideas and Concerns...
> -
> The only problem is Molly's birthday isn't until June and then it will be
> to
> hot for MOGA. Whose birthday is in March?
>
> Speaking of Molly she gets to come home today after being at the vet all
> week waiting for some sores to heal from the splint rubbing.
>
>
> Tim
>
> www.tueltzen.smugmug.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gale R. Nie
> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 11:33 AM
> To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [GeoStL] Re: MOGA 2008 Ideas and Concerns...
>
> -
> Probably because they know a family who want to have a picnic for a family
> reunion isn't going to use it if the insurance makes it cost prohibitive,
> but gee, us rich geocachers are an organized group who have plenty of
> dough
>
> to throw around. It probably boils down to one more thing that lawyers
> have
>
> screwed up for us in this country. I have an idea Tim. You rent the
> pavillion for a birthday party for Molly. That way we shouldn't have to
> pay
>
> insurance, right?
>
> Gale
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tim and Pam" <timpam2mocachers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 11:12 AM
> Subject: [GeoStL] Re: MOGA 2008 Ideas and Concerns...
>
>
>> -
>> We can camp at a State Park and not need insurance as long as we don't
>> have
>> any "organized" events in the park. We could not rent a pavilion without
>> having insurance either for the competition. I'm not sure why you don't
>> have
>> to have the insurance to rent the pavilion for picnics.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>> www.tueltzen.smugmug.com
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gale R. Nie
>> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 10:57 AM
>> To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [GeoStL] Re: MOGA 2008 Ideas and Concerns...
>>
>> -
>> Huzzah is a Conservation Area controlled by the Dept. of Conservation.
>> It's more than 6,100 acres. I'm not sure what the DOC's insurance
>> requirements are, but depending on the area manager it can be difficult
>> getting permission to place cahces, since they don't have a dept. policy.
>> It's up to each individual area manager. After the trouble I had placing
>> a
>> cache on a conservation area, I was pleasantly surprised by the COE's
>> cooperation with us at Mark Twain for MOGA. So much so, I had sent a
>> thank
>> you email to Allen a few weeks before MOGA. A question for the MOGA
>> staff, if we did something like having the event, i.e. placing caches,
>> etc.
>> on a CA like Huzzah and if we camped at Onondaga State Park, would the
>> DNR
>> have any say so regarding insurance as long as we didn't do any organized
>> event stuff in the park?
>>
>> Gale
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Glenn" <GLNash@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 9:18 AM
>> Subject: [GeoStL] Re: MOGA 2008 Ideas and Concerns...
>>
>>
>>> -
>>> fourfeld@xxxxxxx wrote:
>>>> -
>>>> Are the state parks and state forests both administered by the same
>>>> agency?
>>>
>>> No
>>> Missouri dept of natural recourses for State parks and we all know our
>>> contact there is Barbara Wilson barbara.wilson@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>> the Forest service for the forests.
>>>
>>> The person to contact for the Forests is Nancy Feakes
>>> nfeakes@xxxxxxxxxx Myotis knows here fairly well. :-)
>>> She is director of recreation stuff in the Forests and is my contact
>>> for geocaching stuff there. She is based in Rolla.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Perhaps the forests would not have the same insurance requirements as
>>>> the
>>
>>>> parks. One place that comes to mind is Huzzah State Forest in
>>>> Leasburg.
>>>> It's got thousands of acres of very interesting terrain, and its
>>>> located
>>>> right across the river from Onondaga State Park which has lots of
>>>> campsites available. It's also right next to a pivate campground/canoe
>>>> rental business that has many campsites and even some cabins available.
>>>> As a competitor, I might end up regretting suggesting this because the
>>>> terrain at Huzzah is a real killer. LOL
>>>>
>>>> Mark
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: gc-rgs@xxxxxxxxxx
>>>> To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Sent: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 9:05 PM
>>>> Subject: [GeoStL] Re: MOGA 2008 Ideas and Concerns...
>>>>
>>>> -
>>>> Michael,
>>>>
>>>> You bring up a lot of good points and some of us have briefly talked
>>>> about
>>>> the same issues. We haven't even had a meeting yet to discuss the 2007
>>>> event
>>>> and see how we can make improvements. I'm sure Mike has been thinking a
>>>> lot
>>>> about the options.
>>>>
>>>> Over the past 3 years, all of the out of state folks said they want it
>>>> held
>>>> in a different area to see more of the state since they have to drive
>>>> so
>>>> far. That's why the location has been different each year.
>>>>
>>>> Another big "gotcha" with state parks is insurance. We must provide a
>>>> $2
>>>> million ins. policy for participant, competing or just caching.. The
>>>> cost
>>
>>>> is
>>>> about $2000.00 which is prohibitive. We had talked about Babler which
>>>> is
>>>> close to St. Louis but still the ins.problem.
>>>>
>>>> I'm sure Mike will pop in when he gets caught up with his thoughts.
>>>>
>>>> Rich
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Michael Rogers" <mrogers07@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 8:36 PM
>>>> Subject: [GeoStL] MOGA 2008 Ideas and Concerns...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> -
>>>>> During the awards ceremony at MOGA this year Mike
>>>>> alluded to MOGA 2008. He said one of the ideas of its
>>>>> location could be in St. Louis proper, being held at a
>>>>> few parks simultaneously.
>>>>>
>>>>> While in theory, it may be a neat place to have it, I
>>>>> have some concerns about a few things:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. To have MOGA at more than one main location could
>>>>> be a logistical nightmare. I haven't been in the
>>>>> planning process for any of these events, granted, but
>>>>> trying to set up events and activites in more than one
>>>>> park could be a pain.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. How could we have any park to ourselves for the
>>>>> most part? Forest Park, one of the biggest, has the
>>>>> zoo, the Jewel Box, the museum and other attractions.
>>>>> I'm not saying an event couldn't be held there, for
>>>>> example, but the muggle quotient and gawkers would be
>>>>> high.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3. How many caches could you feasibly place in any of
>>>>> the parks? I know Forest Park is big and that would
>>>>> hold many, but to have enough for events you'd have to
>>>>> utilize many parks...not all of which are close by.
>>>>> This leads to...
>>>>>
>>>>> 4. If you were to use different parks for caches in
>>>>> the events, people should not have to drive to other
>>>>> areas as part of the competition. The last thing
>>>>> anyone needs are a bunch of cachers working against
>>>>> the clock and facing St. Louis traffic. That could be
>>>>> the recipe for accidents, and no one wants that.
>>>>>
>>>>> 5. Many people, including some of our friends from
>>>>> Minnestota, don't like the idea of urban caching for
>>>>> MOGA. I'm sure there are a few places with some hills
>>>>> in the area, but for the most part, the St. Louis area
>>>>> cannot compete with the Mark Twain Lakes, Meramecs and
>>>>> Hawns as far as topography. I'm sad to say that some
>>>>> people from Minnesota on their message boards and even
>>>>> some I spoke to at this past MOGA personally have
>>>>> questioned whether they'd even attend an "urban" MOGA.
>>>>>
>>>>> 6. Costs. I am not sure about camping facilities in
>>>>> the St. Louis area, but hotels there are not nearly as
>>>>> cheap as what we had at this past MOGA. This could
>>>>> turn some away. Some prefer camping to hotels
>>>>> anyway...I don't know how this could or would play
>>>>> out.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's about enough of the concerns...so how about
>>>>> some ideas?
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Why not have the next MOGA in a previously-used
>>>>> spot? Meramec is a beautiful place and so is Hawn...is
>>>>> there something against using an old area in lieu of a
>>>>> new area?
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. Have you thought of using an area in the Ozarks?
>>>>> Lake of the Ozarks? Or, perhaps, in the St. Francois
>>>>> area in Sam A. Baker State park?
>>>>>
>>>>> 3. Perhaps a poll could be set up to vote on
>>>>> locations...
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, I have more ideas, but I am having writer's
>>>>> block so I might post more later. I just wanted to
>>>>> shoot this out to y'all.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks again for a great MOGA 2007!
>>>>>
>>>>> -Michael
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ****************************************
>>>>> For List Info or To make _ANY_ changes, including unsubscribing from
>>>>> this
>>>>> list, click -----> //www.freelists.org/list/geocaching
>>>>> Missouri Caches Scheduled to be Archived http://tinyurl.com/87cqw
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ****************************************
>>>> For List Info or To make _ANY_ changes, including unsubscribing from
>>>> this
>>>> list, click -----> //www.freelists.org/list/geocaching
>>>> Missouri Caches Scheduled to be Archived http://tinyurl.com/87cqw
>>>> ________________________________________________________________________
>>>> AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free
>>>> from AOL at AOL.com.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ****************************************
>>>> For List Info or To make _ANY_ changes, including unsubscribing from
>>>> this
>>>> list, click -----> //www.freelists.org/list/geocaching
>>>> Missouri Caches Scheduled to be Archived http://tinyurl.com/87cqw
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ****************************************
>>> For List Info or To make _ANY_ changes, including unsubscribing from
>>> this
>>> list, click -----> //www.freelists.org/list/geocaching
>>> Missouri Caches Scheduled to be Archived http://tinyurl.com/87cqw
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ****************************************
>> For List Info or To make _ANY_ changes, including unsubscribing from this
>> list, click -----> //www.freelists.org/list/geocaching
>> Missouri Caches Scheduled to be Archived http://tinyurl.com/87cqw
>>
>>
>> --
>> No virus found in this incoming message.
>> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
>> Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.23/740 - Release Date:
>> 3/30/2007
>> 1:15 PM
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ****************************************
>> For List Info or To make _ANY_ changes, including unsubscribing from this
>> list, click -----> //www.freelists.org/list/geocaching
>> Missouri Caches Scheduled to be Archived http://tinyurl.com/87cqw
>>
>
>
>
> ****************************************
> For List Info or To make _ANY_ changes, including unsubscribing from this
> list, click -----> //www.freelists.org/list/geocaching
> Missouri Caches Scheduled to be Archived http://tinyurl.com/87cqw
>
>
> --
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.23/740 - Release Date: 3/30/2007
> 1:15 PM
>
>
>
>
> ****************************************
> For List Info or To make _ANY_ changes, including unsubscribing from this
> list, click -----> //www.freelists.org/list/geocaching
> Missouri Caches Scheduled to be Archived http://tinyurl.com/87cqw
>
****************************************
For List Info or To make _ANY_ changes, including unsubscribing from this
list, click -----> //www.freelists.org/list/geocaching
Missouri Caches Scheduled to be Archived http://tinyurl.com/87cqw
Other related posts:
