I've also had a couple managers threaten Oracle when they've gotten a bit out of hand with the licensing costs, (usually extra costs to mid-year license additions) and stated, "I have a DBA who can run this application just as well on SQL Server/MySQL, so if you want to test her out on that theory, please, continue to add to my license costs..." I've actually been surprised a couple times how often Oracle chooses to turn a blind eye, stating that the company is compliant or work a secondary option instead of the "it's Larry's way or the highway..." :) Kellyn Pedersen Sr. Database Administrator http://www.linkedin.com/in/kellynpedersen www.dbakevlar.com ________________________________ From: Andy Klock <andy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: William Muriithi <william.muriithi@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Cc: "jobmiller@xxxxxxxxx" <jobmiller@xxxxxxxxx>; "passionate_programmer@xxxxxxxxxxx" <passionate_programmer@xxxxxxxxxxx>; "dbvision@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <dbvision@xxxxxxxxxxxx>; "oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "William.Blanchard@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <William.Blanchard@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tue, November 9, 2010 2:22:28 PM Subject: Re: Why is Oracle unaffordable? Wow. I didn't mean to take this thread in another direction but speaking economics (which I will be the first to admit I have only a rudimentary understanding) if customers are willing to pay more for a product then, yes, the price will continue to go up. Case in point, I just purchased Oracle Linux support today for $499, had I done this two weeks ago I would have only had to pay $449. But don't worry, I won't hold any of you responsible for driving the price up. On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 4:15 PM, William Muriithi <william.muriithi@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >On 2010-11-09, at 3:54 PM, Andy Klock wrote: > >> >> Fair point. I have zero experience with Berkeley DB so I've stayed out of >> the >>fray. But I do have experience with Oracle's "embedded" license structure and >>depending on the application and how embedded the database actually is, >>Oracle >>offers up to an 80% discount on the price. Not bad. >> >> But, regarding the OP's original question "Why is Oracle unaffordable?" we >> must >>remember it is customers who drive the price up, not Oracle. > >Ah, common Andy, customer driving up oracle price? How did you arrive at >that? > Not trying to be rude, but I disagree. Software is not like oil which is >inelastic. Oracle selling one copy to you does not diminish their stocks in >any >way. They have just arrived at that price purely by fiat after Larry decided >he >just need x percent of the market > >