Re: Am I the only one who finds this offensive?
- From: Paul Baumgartel <treegarden@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 20:50:22 -0800 (PST)
Mladen, I did not see your earlier apology; if I had, I probably would
not have posted about the matter in the first place. It was not my
wish to have a "prolonged debate"; I was merely answering posts
addressed to me. I welcome your apology and that is the end of the
matter as far as I am concerned. Thanks.
--- Mladen Gogala <mgogala@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> OK, I apologized and I thought that should be the end of this,
> but now when you ask, I am of Jewish descent and I my grandfather
> lost a brother in WWII, which would, I imagine, be my relative had I
> ever known him. Being born in 1961, I was very fortunate indeed not
> to
> experience either WWII or the holocaust. When I used that phrase
> (a very stupid thing, indeed, I admit), I used it to signify strict
> and brutal discipline, not killing of any kind. I am a person of an
> extremely liberal persuasion and anybody who knows me would find an
> idea of me spreading a Nazi propaganda completely and utterly
> ridiculous.
> Once again, I apologize to anyone whom I might have offended and
> let me assure you that nobody could condemn Nazi atrocities more
> strongly
> then myself. I am coming from Europe and my sense of humor is formed
> accordingly. For instance, I found the "unrehearsed wardrobe
> malfunction"
> during the super-bowl game funny and not at all disconcerting or
> disturbing.
> I saw few equally serious crimes against fashion today on the train
> and yet
> nobody was paying any attention. So, please, let's leave this topic
> behind
> us. I didn't want to offend anybody, I do have a sense of humor that
> obviously needs some more work and I hope that would be the end of
> this
> unfortunate debate. Paul, what exactly is the point of this prolonged
>
> debate? If you want me to admit that I blurted out a very stupid
> thing
> indeed, I'll gladly accommodate you.
>
>
> On 03/24/2004 10:04:47 PM, Paul Baumgartel wrote:
> > With all respect, Mogens, I'm assuming that neither you nor Mladen
> > experienced the Nazi occupation, having been born after World War
> II.
> > No offense may have been intended, but in my opinion, the post
> revealed
> > extremely poor judgement and a great deal of insensitivity.
> >
> > Paul
> > --- Mogens_N?rgaard <mln@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > Both Mladen and I are from countries that had the pleasure of
> real
> > > German occupation. Not that it can be compared in any way to the
> > > sufferings of the Jews, Gypsies and other groups during the war,
> but
> > > that's the history we both grew up with. No offense was intended
> from
> > >
> > > Mladen, except of course to the developers of the world :).
> > >
> > > Mogens
> > >
> > > Paul Baumgartel wrote:
> > >
> > > > I've not been paying a whole lot of attention to the list
> today,
> > > but I
> > > > just ran across this:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>-----Original Message-----
> > > >>From: Mladen Gogala <mladen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > >>Sent: Mar 22, 2004 9:31 AM
> > > >>To: oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >>Subject: Re: Controlling developers is like herding cats
> > > >>
> > > >>Yes, that's true. One thing to remember when talking about
> > > developers
> > > >>is that work liberates, or in German: "Arbeit Macht Frei". Good
> > > >>organization is the final solution of the developer problem. Of
>
> > > >>course, I'm a DBA, in case anyone had any doubts.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Making jokes about concentration camps and the Holocaust is
> really
> > > > going too far, IMO.
> > > >
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