Suzanne, About packing the optacon, Richard suggests you use something like a vinyl back pack for a lap top PC, because it has foam inside and will provide protection. The size won't be the same as the old vinyl case that was made for the optacon, but it will be ok. Put the optacon in the lap top back pack, then put that in a box and ship it off. Richard's contact info is: Oehm Electronics 2194C Galveston Avenue San Jose, California 95122-3617 telephone: (408) 971-6250 fax: (408) 271-9188 E-Mail: oehmelec@xxxxxxx to view the list archives, go to: www.freelists.org/archives/optacon-l To unsubscribe at any time, just send a message to: optacon-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" (without the quotes) in the message subject. Tell your friends about the list. They can subscribe by sending a message to: optacon-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "subscribe" (without the quotes) in the message subject.