I have quite a number of lists with Freelists. And I'd like to think I also
have a trustworthy, working relationship with them.
If nobody has any objections, I'd be happy to explain the current
"moderatorless" situation, or at least find out who is officially listed.
Once the list is under human control again, we can straighten things out. I'm
sure Dave Godfrey, here in the UK, can reassure you that I am an honourable
man. (And Scottish born and bred ð)
Does that sound like a sensible plan of action everyone?
George W F Bell
Managing Director
Techno-Vision Systems Ltd
76 Bunting Road Ind. Est.
NORTHAMPTON, NN2 6EE
United Kingdom.
Tel: +44 (0)160 479 2777
E-Mail: george@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Web: http://www.techno-vision.co.uk
-----Original Message-----
From: optacon-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <optacon-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf
Of Judy Jones
Sent: 24 September 2020 23:25
To: optacon-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [optacon-l] Re: Optacon List
Hi, Petra,
I don't see why not, unless, for some reason, Freelists changed their policies
regarding list management and shut it down. If that were the case, we might
have a hard time regrouping, so it would be a good idea for someone on the list
to have the e-mails of everyone on the list as a backup.
However, I doubt Freelists is going to do anything, although they could
surprise us.
Just some thoughts.
Judy
-----Original Message-----
From: optacon-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <optacon-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf
Of petra
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 3:20 PM
To: optacon-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; optacon-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [optacon-l] Re: Optacon List
Hello,
Please pardon my ignorance but for the most part this list seems to be doing
ok. There have been a few glitches but not many. What does a list owner do?
Can this list go on forever without an owner?
Wishing everyone well. I hope this list doesn't go away, or if it does, I can
get on the new one.
Petra
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> (Redacted sender k8sp for DMARC)
To: optacon-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Thursday, September 24, 2020 10:32 am
Subject: [optacon-l] Re: Optacon List
Dave,
There are links at the bottom of the posts on Freelists as well; when
you set up a group you can determine the verbage that appears at the
bottom of the lists as you noted was done with the Blind-Hams list on
Groups.io that I run. I did put in more options on the blind-hams
list just for listers convenience, pointing out how they could go
digest, no-mail, etc. besides the usual link for posting messages.
I suspect that most people would have to move themselves over to a new
list if we chose to go that route. Freelists will not move anybody
automatically on to a new list due to Canadian law; and I personally
think it is bad practice to mass-subscribe people to a list that I may
Groups.io is a bit different in that I could subscribe somebody
directly - or at least I could last time I did it about 18 months back
- which can't be done on Freelists.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Plumlee (Redacted sender "knobman" for DMARC)"
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <optacon-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2020 11:32 PM
Subject: [optacon-l] Re: Optacon List
I don't know much about list administration; but since it appears
that the administrator has "moved on" or something like that, and
apparently nobody has the admin credential for this list, I suggest
the
Contact Freelist to see whether they could or would, for security
credentials, give the admin to anyone else, then perhaps someone
should start a new list, then post messages frequently to tell
everyone the needed information for the new list. That approach
might be one way to clean up everything. If a list is hosted on
that Groups-IO listserve where the Blind-Hams list resides, the
system would automatically add after the last post in a thread the
information of links to post a message, contact the list
For my part, I am happy with the Optacon list, but I would
definitely move to another site if the list moves, so long as I have
the
-----Original Message-----
From: optacon-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<optacon-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Steve
Sent: Wednesday, 23 September, 2020 4:30 PM
To: optacon-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [optacon-l] Optacon List
Folks,
I already own a large list (Blind-hams), which has 385 members. I
also co-own two other lists on this site that are smaller and not
too difficult to moderate.
I thought Cathy in New York City might have also been involved with
this list creation, but possibly not. Don Bishop was the owner; and
I don't know if he game admin privilleges to anybody else - which is
The last I heard from him was in 2016.
If noone has admin privilleges to this list on Freelists, then
because of the way this list is set up, I have no clue on how many
members there are and I couldn't transfer members to any new list if
I
----- Original Message -----
From: "CHARLES POND (Redacted sender "wpg67" for DMARC)"
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <optacon-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2020 11:46 PM
Subject: [optacon-l] Re: Everybody Stop!
thank you for this. I did not know. Don was also a believer.
If someone wishes to continue an optacon list, either perhaps they
can contact freelists for the credentials, or simply collect the
names of those interested privately and form a new list. This was
done when Freedom Scientific was about to shut down their optacon
list
Thank you again, Steve, and I am saddened by this.
Charles
On 2020-09-23 9:42 addm., Steve wrote:
Don Bishop is no longer with us. He was also a blind ham and is a
"silent Key,"
Steve, K8SP
----- Original Message -----
From: "CHARLES POND (Redacted sender "wpg67" for DMARC)"
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <optacon-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2020 11:38 PM
Subject: [optacon-l] Re: Everybody Stop!
Is don Bishop still alive or active? I tried several times to
connect with him off list but have heard nought from him.
Charles
On 2020-07-26 3:35 pddm., Maureen Hogg wrote:
Don Bishop was the original list moderator. That was many years ago.
He
and his wife were both blind. Don was a programmer who benefited
from the Optacon in the 1970s. I haven't seen a post from him in
over 15 years.
Good luck in your search!
Maureen
On 7/26/2020 8:24 PM, petra wrote:
I know that Richard Oehm is alive and I hope doing well. I
believe that Charles Pond is alive, though I can't prove it.
Neither can anyone on this list prove that he isn't.
I think some of his messages look different than I remember
them from before, but how would you feel if people kept
insisting you were dead when you were not! I will continue to
read messages from "Charles" if he continues to write to this
list and take them for their value. I'm not technical enough to
judge wheather his ideas will work or not but I'm happy to see
that maybe he is alive and I hope getting better.
I also wonder where the list owner is and who he is. What
happens to a list if the owner stops or can't monitor the list?
This list should get back to what it is intended to do, share
ideas and tips for Optacon users. Not advise people how to
avoid phone scammers.
That's certainly for another list.
Lets get back on topic and stop all this nonsense!
Best wishes to all.
Petra
----- Original Message -----
From: David Plumlee <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> (Redacted
sender knobman for DMARC)
To: optacon-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Sunday, July 26, 2020 2:46 pm
Subject: [optacon-l] Re: Fake Messages
I agree, Sunshine. One particular message purporting to be
from "Charles Ponds" is nothing like his writing before, and
causes me to believe strongly that the real writer of the
message is a scammer or at the very least a person who cannot
handle any degree of doubt or questioning of his identity. I
am about to the point where I suggest that we on this list
ignore and delete from our computers future messages
purporting to be from "Charles Ponds" unless someone we trust
can establish for certain whether he is alive. We don't have
any place for more messages such as that one that said it was
from him.
-----Original Message-----
From: optacon-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<optacon-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of sunshine
Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2020 3:17 PM
To: optacon-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [optacon-l] Re: Fake Messages
To be honest I wouldn't imagine that Charles would write that
kind of message. I can't say either way whether he is or isn't
alive because I don't know. I have always known of him to be
very polite.
Sunshine
Sent from my iPhone XR
On Jul 26, 2020, at 11:53 AM, David Plumlee (Redacted sender
knobman for DMARC) <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
"Hi, Petra,
I hope the list owner takes that nasty message down; you are
right that there is no reason at all for such language on
this list! As I understand the guidelines for this list,
that message is a blatant violation of those guidelines!
-----Original Message-----
From: optacon-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<optacon-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of petra
Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2020 7:02 PM
To: optacon-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [optacon-l] Re: Fake Messages
Good evening Charles?
Excuse people for thinking you had passed on. You were the
one always telling us how ill you were and then no posts from
you for quite a while.
I'm glad you are alive, if it's really you, and hope you
fully recover from whatever is plaguing you.
I think the language in your message is appalling. No reason
for that.
Petra
----- Original Message -----
From: CHARLES POND <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> (Redacted
sender
wpg67 for
DMARC)
To: optacon-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Saturday, July 25, 2020 2:42 pm
Subject: [optacon-l] Re: Fake Messages
List: This is Charles Pond in Ottawa. David Plumlee,
Catherine Thomas and the several others of like-mind: What
the "Fake" is wrong with you people? You are so full of
brown-stuff and this is now so far gone that you can't even
be reasoned with at this point, let alone see
straight.
I'll address this ridiculous gossipy virtually slandrous
crap about me being deceased and a fake and scamming in a
few days, but for
now:
for "fake sake", this is Charles Pond very much alive in Ottawa.
I
am nod dead! What the f*** is wrong with you people!? Do
you want me to send my rent receipt for July and my bank
statements to prove this? Who
started this way-out Bull-S and perpetuates it? They should be
exposed
and publicly humiliated and help accountable in most blatant
terms!
I have been regularly and consistently on other lists and
there are people on the "optacon losers' (excuse me, users')
list" who readily know this and with whom I interact often
en. What is seriously wrong with you people?!
enough of this bull-shit from you - Catherine, David and a
few others!
Charles Pond
On 2020-07-25 1:10 pddm., David Plumlee (Redacted sender
knobman for
DMARC) wrote:
Hi, Pamela,
Notifying BBB or the local police would be an extremely
great idea
except for one proverbial "fly in the ointment": The
ubiquitous practice of that damnable number spoofing. For
one thing, I believe that number spoofing makes the "DO NOT
CALL" lists virtually WORTHLESS because there is no way to
capture the REAL PHONE NUMBER of these callers.
Occasionally, you might get a true phone number for the
caller; but when I have Googled several of these suspicious
callers, I have found that a whole branch of an exchange
(i.ei, (701) 238-****, covering 9,999 possible numbers) is
listed as scam, suspicious, or the like.
One day when I received a call from a guy who became very
nasty and used
the F-word when I wouldn't tell him my age, I googled his
number and found it to belong to a woman in a small town not
far from our home.
That call was to me a "wake-up call" against calling any
number found for one of these calls since I could very easily
be blaming an innocent person for calling me. As another
"wake-up reminder" we had a call one day while Debbie was on
the phone with a friend, and our Caller ID said the call was
from our own number. That call was obviously from a spoofed
number, since you wouldn't call your own number. Debbie and
our friend both laughed at that Caller ID report.
I wish that phone companies would take action to eliminate
all number
spoofing so that a caller would have to either have his
number shown on Caller ID or else come in as a "number
unknown" so that a person could easily choose to ignore all
"number unknown" calls if desired.
I am already moving more firmly in the direction of ignoring
all calls that report "toll-free call" or "out of area"
calls. Such calls are almost always junk ads or scams. How
often have you answered a call and heard something like "This
is your final call'''." THEY ARE LIARS
- ALL OF THEM! Since they can't tell the truth on that
statement (they keep calling), those callers can't be trusted
for
Yes, I know I am pessimistic about reporting to BBB, the
police, FTC, or
other agency, but that's the way I see the situation these days.
We
simply have NO IDEA who is placing most of these calls.
Sadly, I have heard on our local news about persons in our
area being scammed out of much of their savings by these
thieves. It's sad indeed that at least one of them somehow
found our Optacon list; but we can render them ineffective by
refusing to click on any of their messages or send them any
money or personal information.
-----Original Message-----
From: optacon-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<optacon-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Pamela Drake
Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2020 2:31 PM
To: optacon-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [optacon-l] Re: Fake Messages
David and all,
I would also suggest that anyone receiving such phone calls
take a
moment to notify your local Better Business Bureau and even
the police if you believe it would be helpful. Yes indeed,
scams are out there everywhere!
The BBB has a page on their site <beb.org> which they call
scam Trackers.
You can report and find a lot of scamms, nationally and locally.
On Jul 25, 2020, at 10:34 AM, David Plumlee
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
"I also want to warn all listers about a telephone-based
scam which has
come twice to our house on two different phone calls. On one
call, a fellow said that he was offering me a grant of
$80,000 which I could use for anything I want, tax free,
coming from something he called a reinvestment and recovery
act. I knew that nobody, especially the U.S. Government, is
out there to give me EIGHTY THOUSAND DOLLARS with no strings
attached! I recorded the information he gave me on how to
apply for the grant.
When I discussed the call with Debbie, she agreed that
there has to be a
"hook" somewhere by which the scammer would get money from us
while providing us nothing; or maybe the scam was to get us
involved with some crooks stealing government money. We
stayed
A few days ago, I received a call from a woman supposedly
offering me a
grant of $15,000. Having already discussed this kind of scam
with Debbie, I told the woman on the phone that nobody is out
there to give us that amount of money and that we are not
interested. I then immediately hung up the phone. More than
likely, the phone numbers from both of the callers were
spoofed and therefore untraceable.
The
calls probably came from someone overseas. I haven't yet
figured out how the scamming group was going to get money
while they were giving money to me with no requirement that I
pay any kind of fee to get it; but I'm sure there is a "hook"
somewhere in those deals, and our best approach was to leave
both of them alone!
I take time on this list to tell of these scams because I
wouldn't want
any of us to think, if we got such a call, that we could
apply for a grant in order to provide funds for research and
development of a new Optacon.
Most of us are in no position to get scammed out of our own
funds, and it is sad indeed that scammers have apparently
discovered this list and sent some fake messages, perhaps
"feelers" to see
anyone will offer to advance some money "down the rat hole."
I also share the opinion that we cannot expect a new Optacon
anytime soon - and maybe not at all. If I understand "the
way the wind blows"
these
days, education of young blind children has moved so far into
recordings and computerized speech that nobody will seriously
at
the device which has been so helpful to us.
-----Original Message-----
From: optacon-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<optacon-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2020 9:19 AM
To: optacon-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [optacon-l] Re: Fake Messages
That was why in my post, I said that $10,000 was a lot to
an individual,
but not to a foundation or the like, and not much money for R&D.
-----Original Message-----
From: optacon-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:optacon-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Noel
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 6:31 PM
To: optacon-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; optacon-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [optacon-l] Re: Fake Messages
Catherine and listers,
I will start by echoing a strong warning about getting your
up
for
a new Optacon 3 product anytime soon, and I encourage you to
be extremely suspicious about anyone asking for money to fund
new Optacon research.
With that said, I hasten to point out that Charles Pond's
messages to this list were not asking for money, although
he
state that he needed
$10,000 to $13,000 in order to finish his new Optacon
display
development.
Clearly, that relatively small sum of funding would not
come anywhere
near the many hundreds of thousands of dollars needed to
develop the rest of an Optacon 3 device, assuming the tactile
display development portion was successful and working well.
I also encourage us all to be extremely careful when making
and
sharing
assumptions or suspicions about the poor health or death of
individuals.
Does anyone on this list have any actual proof that Charles
is
truly deceased, or do we only have unsupported assumptions and
irresponsible gossip?
In two of his recent posts to this Optacon list, Charles Pond
mentioned
being his brother and writing for Charles.
These appeared to me to be the kind of ill advised humor one
might
expect from someone who has been falsely proclaimed to be
In the last several months, I have had two direct Email
with
Charles, and they both were very consistent with his former
style and technical issues. He mentioned Halbach magnetic
a
technical term for a special kind of magnet I told him about
several
years ago.
I am sure that a poser would not have known to use such a
technical reference in Optacon discussions with me.
Certainly, I am comfortably convinced that Charles Pond, the
we've
heard from in the past, is still alive and has recovered enough
from
his severe health problems to be able to continue some
about Optacon tactile displays.
However, I am also convinced that we have not had independent
observation of and confirmation of any working prototypes of
Charles's
Optacon 3 tactile array devices, something that causes most
in
the field to have serious doubts about its performance and
viability.
To be taken seriously by researchers in the tactile display
field,
Charles Pond will need to be more open and willing to share
of
his design concepts and any prototypes.
Sincerely,
Noel
-
Noel H. Runyan
Phone: 1-408-866-7564
Email: Noel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
-
At 11:35 PM 7/23/2020, Catherine Thomas wrote:
I think someone is having a joke at the list's expense. I
doubt vey
seriously that the messages are authentically from Charles.
The english
is wrong, the writing style does not match and the tone is
wrong. If
anyone receives any private requests for funds claiming to
be from
Charles, just delete them. This is only my opinion based on
years of reading Charles'
messages.
Catherine
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