[optacon-l] Re: My observations: using the left hand to read, versus the right hande: Optacon research and development
- From: Mallard <mallard@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: optacon-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 13:52:19 +0100
Interesting... I thought I was teh only one!!!
Like Elijah, I'm discovering that "there are other seven thousand"... LOL
Ciao,
Ollie
Il 14/11/2012 13.08, Anne Telfer ha scritto:
> My experience too!
>
> All my life I have autamatically used my lefthand to examine things and
> learnt the shape of print capital letters that way at a very young age. I
> resisted all attempts made by teachers to get me to read Braille with two
> hands. They gave up trying because I could read Braille quicker than most
> people could that way. I also use my lefthand to press buttons and turn
> nobs, except the ones on my Braille display! In every other way I'm right
> handed! I CAN read Braille with my right index finger but very slowly.
>
> Anne
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mallard" <mallard@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <optacon-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 8:04 AM
> Subject: [optacon-l] Re: My observations: using the left hand to read,
> versus the right hande: Optacon research and development
>
>
>> That's exactly my experience. Although at scholl they tried hard to make
>> me read braille with my right finger, or at least with two hands, I've
>> always read with my left finger - and still do so.
>> That was a great plus when I started learning to read with an Optacon...
>> Ciao,
>> Ollie
>>
>>
>>
>> Il 13/11/2012 19.42, Camille Petrecca ha scritto:
>>> When I was about four or five, I began to be fascinatedby any raised
>>> print
>>> I could get my hands on. Appliances, food containers, even the stamped
>>> cookies that had my cousin's initials on them. I always automatically
>>> reached and therefore read the print with my left index finger, even
>>> though
>>> I am right handed. Later, at Oak Hill, we were taught to read Braille
>>> with
>>> two hands. I thought it was interesting that I always reached for the
>>> raised pring with my left hand.--Camille from Connecticut
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Steve" <k8sp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <optacon-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 1:27 PM
>>> Subject: [optacon-l] Re: Optacon research and development
>>>
>>>
>>> I rather doubt that it has anything to do with nerve paths. I suspect it
>>> is
>>> more that a mahjority of folks are right-handed, so the unit was designed
>>> for people to maneuver the camera with the right hand because of the
>>> criticalities involved with proper alignment and angularity for
>>> reproducing
>>> the image in the display.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Natalie" <nataliej@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <optacon-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 5:57 PM
>>> Subject: [optacon-l] Re: Optacon research and development
>>>
>>>
>>>> When I got my Optacon training in Boston I was commanded never to change
>>>> fingers while learning as it would slow down the learning process. I
>>>> read
>>>> braille with my left forefinger and can, if I really concentrate, read
>>>> very
>>>> slowly with my right. I guess it has something to do with nerve paths
>>>> and
>>>> dominant sides of the brain. If something happened to my left hand,
>>>> though,
>>>> it would be a long learning process to switch to my right and as for
>>>> reading
>>>> with the Optacon, I'd have to start all over again, I imagine.
>>>>
>>>> Natalie
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "H & C Arnold" <4carolyna@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <optacon-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 5:23 PM
>>>> Subject: [optacon-l] Re: Optacon research and development
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> In terms of the left forefinger, I can use the next finger, but trying
>>>>> the
>>>>> right one was a problem, because I'm not at all used to maneuvering the
>>>>> camera with my left hand.
>>>>>
>>>>> DOG - Depend on God,
>>>>>
>>>>> Carolyn
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "David" <elephant@xxxxxxxx>
>>>>> To: <optacon-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 4:51 PM
>>>>> Subject: [optacon-l] Re: Optacon research and development
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Funny. I have been speaking to a number of blind people domestically
>>>>> and
>>>>> abroad, and for some reason, it seems to me the left forefinger is the
>>>>> main
>>>>> finger for many. Not just for Optacon usage, but in general when comes
>>>>> to
>>>>> sensitivity. At least, does make some of us feel normal. Smile, and
>>>>> grin.
>>>>> Still, as I stated, I have enjoyed the ability to use some other
>>>>> fingers,
>>>>> temporarily, for same tasks. It does require more time, and it does not
>>>>> come
>>>>> without training. That is why, I wonder how effecient a display that
>>>>> relies
>>>>> on several fingers will be. To me, it seems, there might be lacks in
>>>>> perseption which could lead to less accuracy in reading, which in turn
>>>>> would
>>>>> lead to lowered speed. Would be interesting to hear some results from
>>>>> the
>>>>> developing team, as to what kind of feedback blind people give on the
>>>>> readability on their display. Not saying this is impossible, but I
>>>>> wonder
>>>>> if
>>>>> it needs a fair amount of sensitivity training. Simply just wonder,
>>>>> nothing
>>>>> more at this state.
>>>>>
>>>>> When comes to the differences between the first and second generation
>>>>> Optacon's, I only can say this much. Somehow, I do feel TSI cut the
>>>>> legs
>>>>> off
>>>>> their own chair, in putting out the second generation. I do see many of
>>>>> the
>>>>> benefits, in smaller size, lighter weight, and a somehow more flexible
>>>>> design. But the quality, in the displaying resolution, as well as a far
>>>>> more
>>>>> tricky adjustment, which either gets too thick, or leaves the display
>>>>> all
>>>>> blank when reading somehow thin lines. And even when comes to reading
>>>>> displays on electronic equipment, I find the second generation to be
>>>>> rather
>>>>> lacking.
>>>>>
>>>>> '
>>>>> This is actually why, I do think it is well worth to make sure, a
>>>>> follow-up
>>>>> to the Optacon, should be careful to not fall in the well-known
>>>>> pitfalls.
>>>>> I
>>>>> know, it poses a high demand on the developers, as they will have to
>>>>> come
>>>>> up
>>>>> with something better than - or at least equal to - the first Optacon,
>>>>> in
>>>>> reading capability. Sure it will be possible, and modern technology
>>>>> opens
>>>>> up
>>>>> for a lot of chances here. But you'd better step carefully. Smile.
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "H & C Arnold" <4carolyna@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> To: <optacon-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 6:24 PM
>>>>> Subject: [optacon-l] Re: Optacon research and development
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> David, you bring up interesting points. First of all, I thought the
>>>>>> first
>>>>>> Optacons produced the clearest images. I now have twoR1Bs and would
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> want
>>>>>> one of the modular ones. I believe they were developed to provide
>>>>>> greater
>>>>>> computer reading capacity, but were less clear for hard copy print.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I tried reading with my right hand; need to go back for training. I
>>>>>> had
>>>>>> no
>>>>>> problem putting the forefinger in the array and draping my other
>>>>>> fingers
>>>>>> around the right side of the Optacon - BUT MY LEFT HAND WITH THE
>>>>>> CAMERA?!?
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> got out my church directory and finally made NC for North Carolina in
>>>>>> an
>>>>>> address, but I had to check with my left hand first. I couldn't
>>>>>> believe
>>>>>> how
>>>>>> different it was. I do have greater sensitivity in my left forefinger
>>>>>> than
>>>>>> my right, but think if I had to do it, I could get more out of the
>>>>>> right.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> DOG - Depend on God,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Carolyn
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "David" <elephant@xxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> To: <optacon-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> Cc: "Carol Livermore" <livermore@xxxxxxx>; "Luis Fernando
>>>>>> Velasquez-Garcia"
>>>>>> <lfvelasq@xxxxxxx>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 2:48 AM
>>>>>> Subject: [optacon-l] Re: Optacon research and development
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> AAH! Now we at least see things moving, out of the writing and
>>>>>> chatting,
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> into some real attempt. Great information. Yet, it immediately raises
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> few
>>>>>> questions in my mind, and more are likely to come. If you want to
>>>>>> contact
>>>>>> me
>>>>>> off-list, you are welcome to do so, for further in-depth discussions.
>>>>>> Still,
>>>>>> let me put my questions on the board, in case that will call for other
>>>>>> users' participation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> First of all, I want to congratulate you on taking on your shoulders
>>>>>> such
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> tremmendous project. And, I really would have loved to have a chance
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> getting my hands on your project. Unfortunately I am living in Europe,
>>>>>> so
>>>>>> let's leave the dreams behind. Smile.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >From what I get, and please correct me in case I misunderstood
>>>>>>> certain
>>>>>>> parts
>>>>>> of your descriptions, the unit you are developing will be a product
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> kind of tries to sum up several user preferences. You are trying to
>>>>>> make
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> product - or have already done so - that both can be run in a strict
>>>>>> "give
>>>>>> me the tactiles" mode, and an interpretted mode, where things get
>>>>>> transfered
>>>>>> into ordinary Braille. At top of that, it seems you are trying to make
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> recognize shapes on a distance, like people moving, their face lines
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> so
>>>>>> forth. I follow all your ideas, and each on its own, is a great one.
>>>>>> Yet,
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> am a little uncertain, as to whether I want one and same unit perform
>>>>>> my
>>>>>> book reading, and help me recognize my friend's grandmother by her
>>>>>> face.
>>>>>> My
>>>>>> big fear of it, is that you will have to make too many compromises.
>>>>>> For
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> face recognition, you need a bigger display, but with not all that
>>>>>> high
>>>>>> resolution. For a printed page, or even to be able to recognize shapes
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> drawings (like in a diagram for how to put together your new
>>>>>> bookshelf),
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> things get turned the other way around. We now will need a higher
>>>>>> resolution, but will maybe be better offf with a smaller physical area
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> displaying. One thing is to recognize printed letters, as the main
>>>>>> shape
>>>>>> might be well enough. But what about following rather thin, and
>>>>>> sometimes
>>>>>> broken lines, on a diagram or a form. Recently, we had a discussion on
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> list, as to how to find the signature line on a form. With only one
>>>>>> "pixel"
>>>>>> or tactile representation for each millimeter, I have a slight feeling
>>>>>> such
>>>>>> detection could be rather hard. OK, a lot might be accomplished by
>>>>>> adjusting
>>>>>> the contrast, intensity or whatever other adjustments your product
>>>>>> offers.
>>>>>> Yet, one of the big advantages of the Optacon's small-sized,
>>>>>> high-resolution
>>>>>> display, is that it is fairly easy to detect even minor details on a
>>>>>> page.
>>>>>> At least, to a certain degree. And this is where I see your first
>>>>>> compromise. How detailed a picture do we need to tactilize? Some more
>>>>>> specifics on the matter, would have helped me in giving further
>>>>>> feedback
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> this point.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The second thing, on which your mail was rather vague, is: Exactly how
>>>>>> big
>>>>>> is the displaying array of your unit? You do state, that I will need
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> use
>>>>>> more than one finger, to cover the whole display. In what way? Do my
>>>>>> two,
>>>>>> three or four fingers - all rest staticly on the display? Or, do I
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> constantly move my fingers over something like a square or rectangular
>>>>>> displaying area? My immediate thought is, that if I have to move the
>>>>>> camera
>>>>>> with one hand, and perform another kind of movement with my other
>>>>>> and -
>>>>>> so
>>>>>> as to cover the displaying array - I know at least my capabilities
>>>>>> when
>>>>>> comes to coordination well enough, that this would not work very
>>>>>> smoothly.
>>>>>> And if I have a somehow limited resolution, and have to "go hunting"
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> smaller detail on a too big display, I don't really know how
>>>>>> effectively
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> could be operating. So, could you please be a bit more specific to the
>>>>>> exact
>>>>>> shape and operation of the displaying area.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Still hanging on to the display, I have one more question. Whether we
>>>>>> like
>>>>>> to face it or not, we do ever so often run into unforeseen happenings.
>>>>>> All
>>>>>> the certain, I am cutting some food in my kitchen, and get a cut in my
>>>>>> index
>>>>>> finger (which is the one I use for my Optacon). On goes the bandage,
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> away goes my sensitivity for a couple of days; when comes to operating
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> Optacon. That is, specially with the second generation of the Optacon,
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> can always use one of your other fingers on the display. Even when
>>>>>> reading
>>>>>> bigger amounts of text, my index finger gets weary from all the
>>>>>> reading,
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> I would quickly move my next finger onto the display, giving my index
>>>>>> finger
>>>>>> a bit of a rest. Now, if I am supposed to use more than one finger on
>>>>>> your
>>>>>> unit, exactly how vulnerable will I be, when circumstances makes one
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> my
>>>>>> fingers missing? Add on to this, that there is people who has lost
>>>>>> certain
>>>>>> fingers, or have reduced sensitivity in some fingers. Immediately, I
>>>>>> think
>>>>>> this way: the more fingers you rely on to get the full picture, the
>>>>>> more
>>>>>> limited will be the usage. Either on a temporary scale - when you get
>>>>>> one
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> your fingers wrapped up in a bandage; or, on a more permanent basis -
>>>>>> like
>>>>>> when people loose their sensitivity in a finger or two, in an
>>>>>> accident.
>>>>>> This
>>>>>> might greatly reduce the market's interest for the final product. It
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> well-known fact, among Braille readers, that one or two fingers grow
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> main sensors. For some people, it even will greatly differ from the
>>>>>> one
>>>>>> hand
>>>>>> to the other. To what degree has such factors been taken into
>>>>>> consideration
>>>>>> in your project? Can the unit, for one thing, be operated with either
>>>>>> hand?
>>>>>> And, if I move it from my left to my right hand, will this affect the
>>>>>> way
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> get the stuff presented? OK, what did I mean with my last question?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If I presume, that your unit requires me to make use of my three first
>>>>>> fingers - Index, Middle- and Ring finger - and we imagine I see a
>>>>>> certain
>>>>>> shape represented under these three fingers, that is well enough. If
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> done with my left hand, I can snuggly fit my three fingers onto the
>>>>>> display.
>>>>>> But if I now move it over to my right hand, the part of the display
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> formerly was covered by my index finger, will now sit under my ring
>>>>>> finger.
>>>>>> Is there any ergonomic design on the display that will make my fingers
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> fit the same snugly onto the displaying area, when moving from one
>>>>>> hand
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> the other? Just put your hands on the table, all flat, and compare
>>>>>> them.
>>>>>> You
>>>>>> will see, they do have a slight difference from one finger to the
>>>>>> other.
>>>>>> If
>>>>>> I imagine a set of three of the Optacon's displays put together in a
>>>>>> certain
>>>>>> set up, I am not sure the same setup would fit equally on both hands.
>>>>>> So,
>>>>>> without you describing the displaying area of your unit more detailed,
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> am
>>>>>> left wondering how well it goes with user preferences for operation.
>>>>>> Again,
>>>>>> would be nice with more info on the matter.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What is the physical size and weight on the unit, and its camera? OK,
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> do
>>>>>> realize, you are on a developing state, but what is the current size?
>>>>>> Or
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> size you aim for? I am not asking general terms here - like "it will
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> portable size". A Laptop, is portable. So is a cell phone. But there
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> great difference in HOWE portable they are, and for what activities I
>>>>>> would
>>>>>> like to have the hazzle of bringing the one or the other. Noone wants
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> go
>>>>>> do their grocery shopping, dragging around with a laptop; but most of
>>>>>> us
>>>>>> will be fine with our cell phone in our pocket. So what is the
>>>>>> estimated
>>>>>> size, aimed for battery life, and maybe a word or two on the actual
>>>>>> shape
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> the unit - that you are going for?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You mentioned that your unit will be able to read CRTs, if I got you
>>>>>> right.
>>>>>> I guess, that includes the screen of a laptop. But how about displays
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> other equipments. For instance, will I be able to successfully read
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> time
>>>>>> off a digital watch? Reading the display of my microwave oven? Or,
>>>>>> read
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> text message in my cell phone display? OK, maybe none of these are all
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> realistic cases of daily usage, but I actually have been in the need
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> using my Optacon for things like that, in several situations.
>>>>>> Unfortunately,
>>>>>> the Optacon does not handle either of these cases very well - at least
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> the standard lense. So how well does your unit work with displays of
>>>>>> different size, shape and technical quality?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One of the drawbacks of the Optacon camera, has always been its lack
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> angling capabilities. If, for instance, I am to explore the buttons on
>>>>>> my
>>>>>> new stereo system, my new microwave, or my laundry machine - I am
>>>>>> often
>>>>>> out
>>>>>> of luck. The print might be clear enough, but it often sits that close
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> the buttons or edges of the qppliance, that the camera cannot be move
>>>>>> directly across the printed surface. You then are left to move the
>>>>>> camera
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> a few millimeters distance from the surface, and the light conditions
>>>>>> get
>>>>>> too bad for real recognition. In what way will your camera handle this
>>>>>> kind
>>>>>> of cases?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On the Optacon, you ever so often would have to change the lense. Most
>>>>>> users
>>>>>> would be familiar with two of them, the standard lense, and the
>>>>>> magnified
>>>>>> lense. In addition, there was the lense for typewriters, and I believe
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> the later days, they came around with a lense designed for reading
>>>>>> computer
>>>>>> screens. Will your unit be in need of frequent camera change, or is
>>>>>> your
>>>>>> camera well enough equipped, that it will be a matter of user
>>>>>> settings,
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> read under different conditions?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As I said in my introduction, there will be more questions. They are
>>>>>> all
>>>>>> based on extensive experience with the advantages and lackings of both
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> first and second generation of the Optacon, as well as experience with
>>>>>> other
>>>>>> reading and "visualizing" equipment for the blind - all through the
>>>>>> last
>>>>>> 3
>>>>>> or 4 decades. If you are interested, be kind to contact me off-list
>>>>>> at:
>>>>>> trailerdavid@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yet, I do hold, the above questions are of such general
>>>>>> characteristics,
>>>>>> that it would be great to see them answered on the list. Please be
>>>>>> aware,
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> have not put any of those questions on the board so as to discourage
>>>>>> your
>>>>>> efforts, but merely wanted to point out technical and operational
>>>>>> pitfalls,
>>>>>> that so often are being overlooked when this kind of equipment is
>>>>>> being
>>>>>> developed. Thanks for your consideration.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Seth Teller" <teller@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> To: <optacon-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> Cc: "Carol Livermore" <livermore@xxxxxxx>; "Luis Fernando
>>>>>> Velasquez-Garcia"
>>>>>> <lfvelasq@xxxxxxx>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 3:07 AM
>>>>>> Subject: [optacon-l] Re: Optacon research and development
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear Optacon users and list members,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This post is prompted by the many messages that have appeared
>>>>>>> recently expressing interest in a successor to the Optacon.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We are researchers at Northeastern University and MIT who are
>>>>>>> developing a high-resolution tactile display intended to provide
>>>>>>> blind people with a way to gather visual input through their
>>>>>>> fingertips. The display, based on MEMS (micro-electromechanical
>>>>>>> systems) technology, will have roughly one "tactel" (or tactile
>>>>>>> pixel) per millimeter in both horizontal and vertical dimensions,
>>>>>>> and will accommodate touch by several fingertips simultaneously
>>>>>>> rather than just one. Thus it will have both higher spatial
>>>>>>> resolution, and more total area, than the Optacon.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Like the Optacon, the tactile display will be linked to a camera
>>>>>>> or "retina" so as to provide direct sensation of printed material
>>>>>>> and CRT displays. However, a significant difference between our
>>>>>>> approach and the Optacon is that our device is intended to code
>>>>>>> information not only spatially but spatiotemporally, for example
>>>>>>> as particular patterns of motion under the fingers. Compared to
>>>>>>> the Optacon, the relatively higher resolution of the device we
>>>>>>> are designing should enable access by the user to both more kinds
>>>>>>> of information, and more dynamic information, than can be conveyed
>>>>>>> by an Optacon.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> One use case would involve coupling the device to sensors integrated
>>>>>>> unobtrusively into clothing, to provide real-time information about
>>>>>>> the wearer's surroundings, including: orientation with respect to
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> compass or landmarks; mobility hazards such as obstacles and
>>>>>>> dropoffs;
>>>>>>> the presence, identities and motion of any people nearby; the
>>>>>>> presence
>>>>>>> and contents of nearby signage; and other aspects of the environment,
>>>>>>> to be determined in consultation with users. (In this way the device
>>>>>>> would produce sensations at the fingertips analogous to those on the
>>>>>>> tongue described in Nick Dotson's recent posts.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The system would "interpret" raw sensor data to varying degrees as
>>>>>>> per the task and the user's preferences. For example, while names
>>>>>>> of approaching people might be displayed as Braille, the user could
>>>>>>> also elect to receive raw data directly, for example to read distant
>>>>>>> signage or to feel the shape of others' faces at a remove. And of
>>>>>>> course the system would support an Optacon-like mode in which the
>>>>>>> user could move the retina across any document or object in order to
>>>>>>> experience a minimally interpreted tactile version of whatever data
>>>>>>> the retina was capturing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This effort has been underway since early 2011, and has been informed
>>>>>>> by many conversations with blind people at MIT, at The Carroll Center
>>>>>>> for the Blind, at the National Braille Press, at the Bay State
>>>>>>> Council
>>>>>>> of the Blind, and elsewhere. We would be delighted as well to learn
>>>>>>> your opinions, either on or off this list, about how such a system
>>>>>>> might meet your needs or fall short.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Prof. Seth Teller <teller@xxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> Prof. Carol Livermore <livermore@xxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> Dr. Luis Fernando Velasquez-Garcia <lfvelasq@xxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 11/11/2012 6:43 PM, Ninette Legates wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi List,
>>>>>>>> Could we, as a group, approach engineering
>>>>>>>> departments
>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>> might be interested in working on a modern version of the Optacon?
>>>>>>>> Perhaps a
>>>>>>>> group of researchers would take the information that has come out on
>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>> list and produce a prototype. The realm of possibilities for such a
>>>>>>>> device
>>>>>>>> is truly exciting.-Ninette LeGates
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>> signature database 7685 (20121112) __________
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>> signature
>>> database 7688 (20121113) __________
>>>
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>>>
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>>> signature database 7688 (20121113) __________
>>>
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>>>
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>
> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.
>
> http://www.eset.com
>
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