They cost. Then, once you try to get one, you have to do all
kind of research to see if it is not already patented. Then,
you have to get some kind of agent or lawyer to sell it,
while protecting you.
Unfortunately, I don't think a lot of innovations are from
someone's garage anymore, rather from corporate R&D.
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:optacon-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Judy
Jones
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 2:04 PM
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Subject: [optacon-l] Re: Investment
I think you guys really have something! You should get one
of those patent application kits.
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[mailto:optacon-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 12:10 PM
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Subject: [optacon-l] Re: Investment
Oh, how true that is. My husband and I have more good ideas
we talk about that "they," could do.
His best one right now is window blinds that have that
reversible glass, where you can see clearly out of one side
of each slat, but the other would give shade.
One of mine is a switch or button on a cabinet - push, it
drops down, where us shorties can reach the top shelf; push
again, it goes back up and into place. I've had that one for
years. Of course, you'd have to keep that in mind, when
placing things on the counter below.
Guess this is the wrong place for this - should be writing
to Architecture Digest - hahahahahaha.
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sonshines59@xxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 1:41 PM
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That is too bad. Ideas are "a dime a dozen," it's the
logistics of getting them to come to fruition that separates
the men from the boys.
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dan.tevelde@xxxxxxxxxxx
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I think the videotim is dead. I've spoken to the developer
once and e-mailed him once in a while and he says he is
working on a new version but didn't indicate whether he
could sell it. He said that it was hard to create an
interest in it in Germany. That's sad because in Germany
blind people usually get whatever Braille display they want.
Assistive technology is considered part of the German health
care system and a necessity not a luxury.
Dan
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Hi,
I haven't heard any more on the Video TIM developed by
Germany either, and I think they were running close to a ten
thou price tag.
What person or agency is going to spend that kind of money
on a reading machine, no matter how great it is? Just my
thoughts is all.
Judy
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Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 6:56 AM
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Subject: [optacon-l] Investment
Hi Charles,
Yesterday when you were reporting your progress in
developing a new optacon you quoted a $10,000 figure. Is
that amount the total cost of developing a new optacon, or
the cost of each individual unit which would need to be sold
to break even or make a small profit? the total amount
seems modest compared to other projects for other
technologies like Braille displays.
I see an interesting parallel between the possibility of
developing a new optacon and the recent development of new
Braille displays. New Braille displays often come to the
market because the assistive technology companies can't get
parts for existing products. An example is the Humanware
Brailliant. They said they are introducing a new model at
the end of the year. Another reason new Braille displays
come to the market is that enough users request a new design
and the developers implement it. Cases include the Hims
QBraille which has a Braille keyboard and windows modifier
keys.
Humanware has a new Braille display sold by APH which has a
qwerty keyboard.
Then there is the impetus for developing Braille displays
using new and cheaper technology. Despite all the hiccups
in the development of the orbit Reader, Orbit Research has
succeeded in bringing a new technology to the market and
developing products which have staying power.
I don't know if this could be done with the optacon but it
is always possible. The first step is promoting the use
cases and that is difficult as there needs to be more
awareness about the optacon than what we have in our group
of people who subscribe to this mailing list. This would be
difficult as no major blindness organization or assistive
technology company has expressed an interest in developing a
new optacon. It might be possible to bypass established
organizations and use social media to promote the optacon.
There are already videos on YouTube demonstrating the
optacon.
The videos are copies of old presentations from the time the
optacon was new. I don't know if they are visually
attractive though. Then we need start-up capital to create
prototypes which would also be difficult. Then we need a
reliable supply chain. This would have to be done
carefully. In the beginning of the development of the Orbit
Reader, Orbit Research made promises it couldn't deliver.
the Orbit Reader was not widely available and people ended
up buying it on eBay or from notices on blindness mailing
lists. Now Orbit Research has straightened out this issue
which is lucky for them. They didn't alienate enough people
to remove the product form the market.
I think the awareness of the need for graphics displays is
growing due to changing computer technology and the need to
provide graphics to students who are learning remotely.
It's not practical to send students embossed graphics as
they would never keep up with their assignments. this is a
unique situation. It would be necessary to persuade enough
people that the optacon could fill a need and should be an
option for people who need graphical information in real
time. APH submitted a request for proposal looking for
partners to develop a graphics display. that will take a
while.
Among other things the only currently available graphics
display is the Graphiti which is financially out of reach
for individuals.
Dan
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