I'm not all that much into apps, would try to get at the phone store, color
identifier and any reader app so it might read directions on, say mac and
cheese, since the phone is usually more readily at hand than my trusty Optacon.
Also, I'd want an app to download books, a bill reader, weather and a GPS app,
and otherwise, I think that would be about it.
I'd like to learn how to make use of the phone's calendar and clock, of course,
but they all have that.
I would really like a phone I could easily manage, but where I would have
access to OK Google or Siri's equivalent. Then there always are the Echo or
Google Home, but I could not use them out.
Best from,
Carolyn
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From: optacon-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:optacon-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On ;
Behalf Of Judy Jones
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 1:02 PM
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Subject: [optacon-l] Re: Fwd: Re: smart phone comparisons and which is best
Yes, but since the company has tweaked Android to their specifications, you
can't download apps on it, even if you navigate to the play store via the
internet, but Chris doesn't want programs anyway. BTW, the Kyocera Duraxe
voice is female, not the versatility of TalkBack, but definitely fills the bill
and good prompts for the keys. His ran over $200, somewhere in that
neighborhood. It is a good military-grade phone, looks like such a guy phone
with leather textured case, but I would use it if I did not have the Wine Smart.
The female voice is turned on in Accessibility settings, but has been very
stable. I personally can't understand the TalkBack crashes one hears about
unless you are downloading apps that don't play nice with it. But I am very
much an app experimenter and have not had this problem.
Judy
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Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 9:43 AM
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So the Kyocera is also a smart phone? Sounds better all the time.
Best from,
Carolyn
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Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 11:29 AM
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Subject: [optacon-l] Re: Fwd: Re: smart phone comparisons and which is best
My husband, Chris, has the Kyocera Duraxe, which runs on a deprecated Android
platform. That's all he wants to do is to call and text. He could get on the
Internet and e-mail, but he does that with his U2.
Judy
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Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 8:18 AM
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Subject: [optacon-l] Re: Fwd: Re: smart phone comparisons and which is best
Hi Mary!
I'm glad I am not the only one who wants to stay with a flip phone. All I want
it for is to make and receive calls, though most of the time, I'm making them.
I don't use it that much except for calling cabs, mostly. I like the fact that
I don't need a contract. I just buy minutes on my T-mobile account when I need
to.
Debby
At 08:53 AM 7/31/2017, Mary Lorefice wrote
Me neither. I'll stick with my LG Flip Phone.
Mary L
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Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 9:37 AM
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Subject: [optacon-l] Re: Fwd: Re: smart phone comparisons and which is
best
One of my complaints with the iPhone is that I could not dial 1 for
English, as an example, when I made a call that required number input.
With my feature phone with actual keys, that is not a problem. It just
seems to me that people put up with too much hassle, which must be
worth it to most people, but not to me. I am not a one to tolerate
unnecessary problems.
Best from,
Carolyn
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[mailto:optacon-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bruce Noblick
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 6:22 AM
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Subject: [optacon-l] Fwd: Re: smart phone comparisons and which is best
I had a nearly opposite experience. On my first two Android devices, I
required a lot of help getting talkback and brailleback activated.
When I got so frustrated that I wanted to bounce the tablet off the
wall across the room, I gave it up. They told me I could return it
within two weeks so I did. They gave it to me for free but were going
to charge me $10 a month. I had to pay a $70 restocking fee to return
it which was annoying but still less expensive than $10 per month for
two years. I got my second one for free with a security system
upgrade. It worked slightly better but I still navigated myself into a
barrel.I still have that one but I haven't been able to get it out and
fight with it for months. I am having slightly better luck with the
next one and a lot better luck with the fourth one but it hides much of
the operating system interface. These last two devices weren't free and
I don't want to talk bad about them since the problems I am having may very
well be in my
own head. Before I got the iPhone which I have had much better
experience with, I met someone who I paid to teach me about it and only
after I could use it, I got one the next time I could upgrade. My only
problem is using iTunes on the windows computer. The screen seems so
cluttered. I want to get all of my music on the iPhone and can't -- not
enough room. I have split up my music into chunks and now can't figure
out how to get it onto the iPhone. I have been able to get most of my
music from the iPhone but not all. Even with that annoyance, my
experience has been so much better with Apple, even though they always
have to use proprietary software and hardware that won't work well with
other devices. This is a problem they have had ever since the days of
the floppy disk. I don't remember the specific problem in specific
detail but in general it had to do with hard and soft sectors. I think
theirs were hard sectored which meant that very small holes in the
media itself were
used to identify the beginning of the track and each sector. By
then, everyone else was using soft sectored disks so they could all
read each other's disks if necessary. This was especially handy
before MSDOS using CP/M when there were no precise standards for disk
format. I used a program called Media Master to move things from my
Heathkit/zenith computer to my IBM PC at work. Even back then, in the
early 80's, you couldn't move things from Apple 2E CP/M to anyone
else's CP/M or MSDOS. Apple didn't play well with others and didn't
care. Even so, I find myself grudgingly agreeing with them about
voiceover. I have never navigated myself into a barrel like I did with the
first two Android devices.
I do have one other Android device. It is an Amateur Radio
transceiver. If you push a button while you turn it on, it comes up
talking and many of its menus talk too. I consider that device to be
an unqualified success story though it too hides the operating system
behind its own operations. One of the menu items allows you to eject
the micro-SD card but that is as close to the operating system as it
gets. You can format the micro-SD card too and copy some files to and
from it but all of that is under their software's control.
OK, that's enough from me.
Enjoy the day!
Bruce
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Subject: [optacon-l] Re: smart phone comparisons and which is best
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2017 21:32:58 -0600
From: Judy Jones <sonshines59@xxxxxxxxx>
Reply-To: optacon-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
To: optacon-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
I think both serve different markets. I am one that felt micro-managed
by Apple, that the iPhone was so locked down. As it turns out, I also
had a lemon device, not realizing it at the time. My daughter did not
have that device long before she traded in for another.
Then my first Android device in 2013 was the LG Optimus 2, recommended
by an AT&T sales person who had one and loved it. I liked mine as
well, and took to the Android platform much easier.
I also had occasion to play with and use other devices, as we were
trying to find the perfect one for my husband. All in all, I have had
10 different ones to use, and they all have been very satisfactory.
I like the choice Android provides in device, cost, and apps. If you
don't like stock apps, you can simply download others to take their
place. I like simply copy/pasting back and forth between my computer
and phone without iTunes trying to second guess what I want
synchronized. For the pure Android experience without the bloatware,
many root their devices successfully.
I like expandable memory on many of the Android phones, and use the SD
card to store music and all my kindle, BARD, and BookShare books, not
to mention photos and videos.
You can also create music play lists from a command line on your
computer, which is not necessary, but interesting you can do it.
One thing I did not know until a couple years ago, one of our state
product vendors came back from CSUN and told me that the Android
platform is more popular with the rest of the world because of
diversity of devices and cost.
Anyway, just my two cents and experience.
There are those of us who like to eat the same favorite entree when we
frequent a particular restaurant. You know what you want, you want to
be waited on, and you want your one entree. Very similar to the iPhone
experience. You are presented with a single choice.
Then, there is the dining experience of the buffet where you get to go
help yourself to lots of different dishes and exercise choice. This is
like experiencing Android. It seems the most apt comparison I can
think of, and both devices appeal to different people.
BTW, I like the braille support for Android, have found no problems
with it, but am told the braille support with the iPhone is better. I
did not have my iPhone long enough to experience hooking up, but again,
I have been able to hook up seamlessly with braille and in just a
couple seconds. Very dependable.
O yes, if you don't like a certain keyboard, there are multiple choices
on the play store, and many love BrailleSoft.
Judy
-----Original Message-----
From: optacon-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:optacon-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of C. Pond
Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2017 5:32 PM
To: optacon-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [optacon-l] smart phone comparisons and which is best
Hi Judy. What do you think of the Apple smartphones compared to others?
I can't extrapolate your address, or I would have written you off list.
Thanks for your views,
Charles
-----Original Message-----
From: Judy Jones
Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2017 5:44 PM
To: optacon-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [optacon-l] Re: New Optacon
In my time with Android I have never had TalkBack stop working or the
problems mentioned on the list. Remember that many of those people
root their phones, use various phones from various makers all over the world.
The Android is quite dependable, and with any changes you make, whether
it is rooting the phone, or various app combinations you use, you may
have things to work around. But TalkBack is dependable, so is
BrailleBack, at least in my 4 year experience since Android 4.
Judy
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From: optacon-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2017 2:42 PM
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Subject: [optacon-l] Re: New Optacon
There is a Braille book, "Getting Started with Android," by Ana Garza.
However, I just sold mine and my tablet - goodbye for now to that stuff.
I've been reading this afternoon on the Eyes Free list, and half of
those smart people are asking about this and that on their phones,
TalkBack stopped working when a guy was on the phone, one had battery
problems, just a couple I can remember. I said, that is it. For sure,
next phone another feature one. I know more though about what to check
in terms of accessibility and durability.
Best from,
Carolyn
-----Original Message-----
From: optacon-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:optacon-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Debby Franson
Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2017 10:12 PM
To: optacon-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [optacon-l] Re: New Optacon
Hi Carolyn!
I have to agree. I never felt frustration while learning to use the
optacon, because I saw progress each time I started to use it in
training and when I came home. I have an Android Galaxy tablet from a
few years ago, and iPad and an iPod, and all I felt with those devices
was total frustration. I am old school, I think. I haven't touched any
of that stuff for at least a year. I know people who zip around on any
of that stuff, but I never saw any progress in my learning. I probably
should get a book that shows me how in braille, but my motivation is low now.
Debby
At 06:36 PM 7/29/2017, Carolyn Arnold wrote
I can say that I think an Optacon is way easier to learn to use thans technology
a smart phone.
Best from,
Carolyn
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[mailto:optacon-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Debby Franson
Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2017 3:49 PM
To: optacon-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [optacon-l] Re: New Optacon
Hi Doug!
I went to Philadelphia to take optacon training in 1981. Instead of
watching TV or going out in the evenings, I would read a book that I
brought from home that I also used in training along with the
materials the teacher had me try. As a result, I finished training a
day or two early. My teacher ran out of new things for me to experience.
(smile).
At the university near our home, Illinois State University, one of
the things the university was known for was special education. I
think the visually impaired program isn't what it used to be.
Students who were studying to become teachers of the visually
impaired would not only learn braille, but there were several
optacons in the department that were used in class to give everyone
experience. I was not in that program, so I think no one had to
become proficient, but just to have the experience of trying to read
something. I heard some of these sighted people say that they couldn't
distinguish one letter from another.
One of the professors asked my husband to ask me if I would be
willing to come in and test the optacons to see if they were still
working. I think they had phased out the optacon from the special
education program sometime in the early '90s. I tested twelve
optacons, and they were all working fine.
There is a very sad ending to this story. Oh, there is a happy bit, too.
That professor told my husband in late 1995 that the optacon was not
going to be manufactured, so I called TSI and bought two Optacon II's.
The horrible part of the story was that those optacons I tested
eventually got sent to property control who sent them to a place in
Springfield where they were stored for a few years. Eventually, the
place decided that they didn't have room to store them, so they just
disposed of them. The heartbreaking thing is that those optacons can
never be used by anyone.
The happy part of the story about the optacons that were at the
university was that the professor found one in a closet and gave it
to me. It's the R1D as they all were..
It seems that these rehab places have a one-track mind that is so narrow.
I have had little to do with them over the years, and I'm glad we
have the funds to buy or save up for what we need and want. If its
not the lack of interest for the optacon, it's over-interest in one screen
reader.
It's too bad they can't have a more balanced mindset on all
technologies.
Debby
At 01:52 PM 7/29/2017, Doug Parisian wrote
Debby, I first learned the Opticon in 1977 and while using it tosucceeds in getting this optacon 3 marketed.
keep my job, attempted unsuccessfully to motivate our CNIB and our
Special needs department in the education branch to make use of the
Opticon a strong requirement. That skill is every bit as important
as math, science, daily living skills etc. Unfortunately, our
rehabilitation efforts are more ruled by social work and "head
shrink" philosophies rather than those which have proven to be
successful in the business and commerce world. A group of the 70s
and 80s best summarizes the requirements of much of life in their group
name, Blood Sweat And Tears.
On 2017-07-29 1:30 PM, Debby Franson wrote:
Hi Judy!
It seems that they have become lazy. The optacon takes patience,
diligence and dedication, and I wonder if there are many who
would work at learning and becoming proficient in learning the optacon.
My husband teaches computer workshops of various kinds at a
university, and he says that the college students get frustrated
very easily if they don't get something within five minutes, so
it is a problem that is not limited to the blind.
Debby
At 12:16 PM 7/29/2017, Judy Jones wrote
The scary thing is that next genblind people don't care or
realize the power of independence they could have in their hands.
Judy
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Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2017 10:44 AM
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Subject: [optacon-l] Re: New Optacon
Hi Dave!
Thanks for spreading the word about the optacon. We need an
optacon evangelist like you to show what this wonderful device
can do to open up things to people with no sight that the
sighted world takes for granted. I think the sighted world in
general just doesn't understand what an optacon is or what all it can
do.
Those in the agencies think it's just obsolete technology,
since they haven't been made since 1996, I think it was and
Charles has not made his optacon into anything beyond a
prototype yet. I sure hope he
Debby
At 05:35 AM 7/29/2017, David Moore wrote
Hi Dan!
Thanks a lot for this great idea!
I will have my wife take a picture of me using the Optacon,
and I will put it on Facebook, Twitter, Linked in, and put it
on youtube as a video. I really want young people to see how I
can use the Optacon to do so many awesome tasks that
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I will get on it LOL!
Thanks!
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Sent: Friday, July 28, 2017 9:28 PM
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Subject: [optacon-l] Re: New Optacon
Hi Carolyn,
I would forget about organizations for the blind for now.
They already have their projects and priorities which they
don't want to
funding campaign.Many younger people don't find organizations for the blind relevant.than through official channels.
We need to target a different audience. I would do that by
having very professionally created videos on YouTube, and Facebook.
People will be interested if they can see and/or hear
something in action. It's possible that a sighted person
would see something, and be interested enough in it to tell
the blind people they know about the optacon. The important
thing is communicating with people through social media rather
Once people know what an optacon is, and what it could do,
then someone could approach the open source community, and
launch a
message to:Optacon!The funding would be the most difficult part, unless someonenew optacon would be.
can promote the work Charles has already done. Someone with
business acumen would need to do a cost-benefit analysis to
see how realistic a
What everyone can start doing is telling people about the optacon.blog entries could get the message across.
Create comments on Twitter and Facebook. If you have a
sighted friend or family member with a camera, get them to
take a picture of you using an optacon, and then share it
publicly on your Facebook timelines. If people like your
post, then they may 'like' or comment on it, or share the post
with people on their timelines. This would generate some
excitement and momentum to move the project forward. If ACB
and NFB see that there is enough momentum behind this project,
than they would want to get involved. A number opf years ago
someone wrote a good article for the Braille Forum about the
optacon, but the article didn't generate any enthusiasm. I
think people would rather see something in action than reading
about it in a lengthy article.
Tweets and short
I don't feel qualified to write about the optacon. I haven'tstill working on his dream.
used one in 30 years, and don't have one either. If I had
one, and knew how to use it effectively, I could get someone
to make a nice video to put up on my Facebook page. I do hae
a lot of Facebook friends, and also use Youtube and twitter all the
time.
Thanks,
Dan
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Sent: Friday, July 28, 2017 7:18 PM
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David, maybe, if you ever met the president of NFB at a
convention or somewhere and had your Optacon, you could
convince him.
Best from,
Carolyn
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Sent: Friday, July 28, 2017 7:03 PM
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Hi all,
Has anyone heard from Charles lately and anything about the
new Optacon project?
I pray for Charles, because I know his health was not good.
Also, I have tried to talk to the president of the NFB, and he
will not respond to my messages about giving to a new Optacon
project. I even told him that I read math and science texts
with the Optacon without the need for software that costs
thousands to do OCR on math symbols. I felt graphs, and
everything on the printed page of a math book with the
Optacon, and I can now show a sighted person what the math
looks like, because I felt it with the Optacon. I pray that
Charles is okay, and
Please let me know if you have heard anything new regarding
the new
message to:Great to see you on here, Judy, and hearing about how you aremessage to:
reading knitting instructions and charts.
That is great.
Take care, all.
David Moore
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