maybe afterall ... Poking around on the UTAG website after looking at their nifty logo, , I had to chuckle that on their page of links: RATTLESNAKE BITE is at the top followed by Snakebites in General and THEN Rocky Mountain Spotted fever. Poison Ivy, apparently, is the least of their concerns! http://www.utahgeocachers.com/information.php BTW -- and for what it's worth and any other edge-softening transitional phrases, their logo is really nice. Um, I'm not big fan of the proposed satellite, but, as a newbie, I was hesitant to say that out loud lol -- since I do believe in the another good phrase of "Put Up or Shut Up" and I've really nothing to offer. Another observation, if you all haven't already, if you get a chance -- DO spend some time puttering around on that site. Some of the "games" sound like a lot of fun. A LOT of work for the sponsors, but fun.. Nancy NHL of TKLNHL&Kyd (sloooowly climbing the caching charts to.... FIFTY -- uh right after 40 ... LOL)