[GeoStL] Re: Need Plan B RE: Re: New Year Day's cache hunt
- From: "Barry Bryant" <barramus@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: <geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 18:44:20 -0600
I was just headed out for the day to start my Christmas shopping....just in
time right ?
Didn't know you were nearby or I would have honked.
From looking at their map, partially knowing the area, and seeing their no
trespassing signs you did the right thing.
Our neighbors would like for folks using the conservation land to not
trespass when trying to get there.
Perhaps someday MDC can build a bridge ? (without a t...lol)
LeBarque creek separates the new parking lot and the property. So high
water will be an issue for some people at
some times. Gore-Tex boots would be a good idea.
I believe LeBarque creek to be the Northern Border with the exception being
the parking lot area.
The public has about a 50' wide area to cross the creek and proceed on in,
just as you described.
The caches are at some "neat spots" . You've been there before as I recall.
Umm, I still see the parking coordinates on all 3 cache pages. Dunno how
come you didn't se them.
Barry
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From: geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Jim Bensman
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 5:14 PM
To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [GeoStL] Need Plan B RE: Re: New Year Day's cache hunt
Barry, I wished you would have honked or yelled for me when you left your
card on my car. I was not far away. I could not figure out how to access
the place. I ended up giving up.
MDC’s map is significantly different than what is marked on the ground.
It shows Valley Drive as the Northern edge of the property but it turns
North and the Map shows it keeps going SouthWest. You run into private
property. But that was not the biggest problem!
While the map shows they own everything South of the road, on the South
side they have a 50 foot wide corridor marked (basically it is the size of
the parking area). They have signs on both sides saying end of public use
area. So I decided to try to head up that way. The problem was the creek
was too high too cross anywhere in the 50 foot wide corridor. I was hiking
in my scandals yesterday and could have crossed no problem, but not today.
They water was over the tops of my boots. If I had known this I would have
brought my Tevas and neoprene socks. So I had no good way to cross the
creek. Even if I was able to cross, it did not appear to be a good way to
get up. It would appear to be close to a sheer cliff.
I walked down the road to where Valley Drive headed north seeing if there
was a way to access it. I did not see anything and there was a house and
private property past where Valley Drive went North. So that did not seem
to be a way to get in.
So then I looked at your waypoints for the old way. The problem is the
coordinates to the old parking area are no longer there and I had no idea
where the old staring spot is. I did not see how I could get to the first
way point on the cache page. So I gave up.
If MDC did not have signs saying end of public use area, I would have
followed the creek until I could cross and then headed up the first valley.
But with all the trespassing talk on the cache page, I did not want to do
that.
I would say someone needs to talk to MDC to figure out why the map shows
it MDC and the signs show end of public use area. I would guess using the
old parking lot would be the way to go in the meantime if they still have
the easement.
Call me if you have questions.
Do you have waypoints for the neat spots?
Jim Bensman
1802 Main Street
Alton, IL 62002-4724
(618) 463-0714
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From: geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jim Bensman
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 10:04 AM
To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [GeoStL] Re: New Year Day's cache hunt
I am heading out the door now. Looks like about 200 feet of climbing.
Looks like a nice cool day where I won’t work up a sweat!
Jim Bensman
"Nature Bats Last"
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From: geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Barry Bryant
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 9:39 AM
To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [GeoStL] Re: New Year Day's cache hunt
There are no trails, just hills....lol
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From: geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Jim Bensman
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 9:32 AM
To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [GeoStL] Re: New Year Day's cache hunt
I am getting ready to head down and do them today since I cannot make it
on New Year’s Day. I will report back on what I find with the new parking
lot and newly acquired land. If there are any trails, I will GPS them for
my garmin maps. But the Topo maps already cover it.
Jim Bensman
"Nature Bats Last"
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From: geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve Bromley
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 8:10 AM
To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [GeoStL] Re: New Year Day's cache hunt
I drove out to the new parking coordinates yesterday. It should easily
accomodate 20-30 cars. We'll plan on meeting there and going in from there.
There'll be an email blast toward the end of the week with final details
once the weather forcast becomes clearer. I do agree, no major snow, no
ice, no sub-zero temps, etc. I looked at the first hill we have to go up
and I wouldn't want to do that in bad conditions.
On 12/23/2007 7:45:23 AM, Dave (deltabravoromeo@xxxxxxxxxxx) wrote:
> Donna (Chalkdusty) and I (DumLuck) plan on doing the Walkabout cache
hunt,
> weather (no ice storms, minus-zero temps, record snowfalls, that sort
of
> thing...) permitting.
>
> Are the new parking coordinates where everyone will park -- or will
there
> still be a remote parking site and carpool in from there?
>
>
> Dave
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