yeah the midi guide is really helpful like that for things at a distance. Though a lot of guide dog handlers get dogs, because well, we don't want to know about every single object in our environments, smile. Actually it is a really neat feeling to "float" from one spot to the other, without encounter poles or trash cans or the like. But yep. The midi guide vibrates if it encounters a solid object in the path. Kind of helpful For cane users, there is the Kay Sonar cane, and the Sonic Torch and the Laser cane, which combine a traditional white cane and the cool laser sonic technology. just provides more information in the environment. Shelley L. Rhodes and Judson, guiding golden juddysbuddy@xxxxxxxxxxxx Guide Dogs For the Blind Inc. Graduate Advisory Council www.guidedogs.com The vision must be followed by the venture. It is not enough to stare up the steps - we must step up the stairs. -- Vance Havner ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kellie Hartmann" <kellhart@xxxxxxxxxx> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 10:42 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Almost on topic, DocuPen Shelley, I hadn't heard of this midi guide, but it sounds like a wonderful thing, especially for guide dog users. To me not being able to know about things in the environment would be the most serious drawback to having a guide dog as opposed to the cane. So if this tool worked well it would remove one of the few disadvantages of a dog. Kellie