[bksvol-discuss] Re: 5 different views of a single page?
- From: "Andy B." <sonfire11@xxxxxxxxx>
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- Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 15:07:18 -0400
Down to the Bonny Glenn [The Martha years series] by Melisah Wyley.
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Andy,
What is the title and author of the book, with these instructions and if
I can find the book, I'll see what I can do. Three pages worth may be
more complicated than the examples given, but...
Misha
On 7/17/2010 8:01 AM, Scott Rains wrote:
> And we are very pleased that Judy allowed us to include her chart
> description technique in the new volunteer manual here:
>
> https://wiki.benetech.org/display/BSO/4.8+A.+Creating+Written+Descript
> ions+of+Pedigree+and+Ancestor+Charts
>
> Scott Rains
> Benetech Fellow, Bookshare Volunteer Department
> ________________________________________
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> [bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Melissa Smith
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> Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 4:31 AM
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> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: 5 different views of a single page?
>
> Judy S did some horse pedigrees for me just recently, and made them
> very understandable. Melissa Smith
>
> On 7/16/2010 8:34 PM, Mike wrote:
>
>> I thought there was a sighted person on the list who has converted
>> family trees to text in the past. Though sighted, I'd rather not do
>> it without some guidance from a past successful conversion as it
>> could easily become incomprehensible. If knowing all the
>> relationships is not required in order to understand the rest of the
>> book I would put [first page of author's family tree], [second page
>> of author's family tree], [third page of author's family tree] as
>> needed to make the page count correct.
>>
>> Misha
>>
>> On 7/16/2010 12:39 PM, Andy B. wrote:
>>
>>> Ok. [diagram of Author's family tree]... will be inserted into the
>>> pages where it sits in the book.
>>>
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>>> Rains
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>>>
>>>
>>> Andy,
>>>
>>> You have given it due diligence. Thanks! I agree with Mayrie's
>>> advice.
>>>
>>> Scott Rains
>>> Benetech Fellow, Bookshare Volunteer Department
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>>> [bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Andy B.
>>> [sonfire11@xxxxxxxxx]
>>> Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 12:33 PM
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>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: 5 different views of a single page?
>>>
>>> That's probably what I will do then.
>>>
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>>> ReNae
>>> Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 2:23 PM
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>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: 5 different views of a single page?
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Andy,
>>>
>>> Because we are required not to alter the book in order not to break
>>> copyright agreements that Bookshare has with publishers, I think
>>> that you're safest just deleting the tree entirely if it can't be
>>> OCRed intelligibly and
>>> just putting the note [Author's Family Tree] and on the second and/or
>>> more
>>> pages that the tree occupies write [Author's Family Tree continued.] In
>>> instances like this I prefer to be conservative in adding any
>>> material. We
>>> don't want to cause any publisher to be unhappy.
>>>
>>> Just my thinking.
>>>
>>> Mayrie
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 11:08 AM
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>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: 5 different views of a single page?
>>>
>>> I might be able to find it on the author's website. If I can't find
>>> the "exact" copy of the tree, I will put what I find and then put
>>> [adapted family tree] or something like it. Any ideas on what I can
>>> put for a note like that? The other thing I worry about, is if the
>>> tree is x pages long,
>>> but the one I find doesn't fit that number of pages, what do I do next?
>>>
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>>> ReNae
>>> Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 1:58 PM
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>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: 5 different views of a single page?
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Andy,
>>>
>>> Yes, putting [Author's Family Tree] on the pages is a fine solution
>>> when it can't be represented from the text. I'm just curious, is
>>> the information in
>>> the family tree given in the book, either throughout the book, or in a
>>> single place as text? If it is, then simply writing what you suggest
>>> after
>>> deleting the tree altogether is very acceptable. And if it isn't, well,
>>> sometimes that is just what needs to be done with charts.
>>>
>>> Mayrie
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 10:47 AM
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>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: 5 different views of a single page?
>>>
>>> I can get the text of the tree for the most part, but it starts
>>> getting confusing when they have the mother/father split. Otherwise
>>> the only way to make sense of it is by the birth/death years next to
>>> the person. What the
>>> problem is, is who was married to who? and whose kids were whose? I
>>> know the
>>> author's background quite well, and this 3 page tree is even getting me
>>> confused. What should I do with it? Can I put [author's family tree]
>>> on the
>>> pages?
>>>
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>>> Loran Bailey
>>> Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 1:03 PM
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>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: 5 different views of a single page?
>>>
>>>
>>> A family tree is usually depicted as names of people, perhaps with
>>> some amount of information about them, connected by lines. It is a
>>> very visual representation, kind of like a pie chart. I don't know
>>> about Braille users,
>>> but I don't see how such a depiction could be made to make any sense
>>> to the
>>> user of a screen reader with synthetic voice. A graph or pie chart
>>> requires
>>> description and I would think a family tree would too.
>>>
>>>
>>> _ _ _
>>>
>>> "Socialism can be built only by free men and women working together
>>> to lay the foundations for a new society and transforming themselves
>>> in the process." - Ernesto "Che" Guevara
>>>
>>>
>>> The Militant:
>>> http://www.themilitant.com
>>> Pathfinder Press:
>>> http://www.pathfinderpress.com
>>> Granma International:
>>> http://www.granma.cu/ingles/index.html
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>>> Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 12:47 PM
>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] 5 different views of a single page?
>>>
>>>
>>> I have scanned a single page 3 or more different times without
>>> moving the book on the scanner.
>>>
>>> 1. It comes up blank which I know isn't true based on below results.
>>> 2. I get scrambled text that has the header (I think) at the top of
>>> the page. 3.
>>> I get scrambled text with the header at the bottom of the page. 4. I get
>>> some valid text with no header/footer. 5. I get some valid text with the
>>> header/footer in the middle of the text mixing up its natural flow.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This is a family tree outline of an author. I don't know if there
>>> are images or not. I also don't know if the family tree is in a
>>> table or not. How would
>>> I go about fixing the page? I can send a sighted person on the list the
>>> original scanned image of the page if needed.
>>>
>>>
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