TEA/TEB is hypergolic hitting LOX. For instance also used on Atlas ICBM ignition of 3 engines running LOX/kerosene. Since it's cold up there, one could expect such cartridges and plumbing to be at least thermally insulated for second stage use. jd _____ Van: arocket-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:arocket-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] Namens James Bowery Verzonden: vrijdag 22 november 2013 21:40 Aan: arocket@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Onderwerp: [AR] Re: SpaceX iced TEA Well, at least it wasn't a <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.space/Cje3AmT5DUA/eqjPoa6Nx6sJ> frozen lox valve. On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 1:05 PM, Ed Kelleher <Pres@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: AW&ST and SpaceNews are reporting that SpaceX says their 2nd Stage Falcon 9 reignition problem was due to frozen ignitor fluid lines. TEA freezes at 227K and TEB even colder than that, 180K. Has TEA/TEB ignition been used before on 2nd Stage? Seems most upper stages are hypergolic, or augmented spark type ignition. Apparently it hasn't been used much on American launchers. Ed Kelleher