I have just tried to compile all the RMAN keywords (by "keyword" I mean any terminal term without space that you find in all those wonderful syntactical diagrams that brighten up our reading of Oracle reference docs). Having used RMAN, I had some apprehension, and I wasn't disappointed. If anyone is interested, my tally is 242 different terms (I have excluded the RMAN command itself and what can be passed to it on the command line). Jesus. Posters on most forums don't seem to have that much vocabulary. Compared to RMAN, the GNU autotools (I was in them shortly before) are a piece of cake. Whatever the opinion someone I'm thinking of has of Don Chamberlin and of his understanding of the relational model, at least Don and Ray Boyce managed to do an awful lot with very few keywords. I like to quote to developers the "Art Poétique" of Boileau, in particular things such as: "What is conceived well is expressed clearly." or "No one who cannot limit himself has ever been able to write." (uh, perhaps time I stop my rant). I dream that Oracle products get a stamp of approval from Steve Jobs before being released. -- Stephane Faroult RoughSea Ltd <http://www.roughsea.com> Konagora <http://www.konagora.com> RoughSea Channel on Youtube <http://www.youtube.com/user/roughsealtd>