Hi Nick. Can you recall who made the Braille-Link display? If memory serves me correctly, it came from England. Thanks, Charles From: "Nick Dotson" <nickdotson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <optacon-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2014 8:17 PM Subject: [optacon-l] Re: Orbit Research Group & TBG announce project for low cost braille display. > People have been promising "cheap" refreshable braille since I first > encountered mention of solenoid actuators in the literature for Blind and > Visually Impaired, before the commercial advent of the Optacon, > Digi-Cassette or VersaBraille and their European counterparts. Fine > tolerances, the metrics (in the sense of physical characteristics) of the > braille cell, drivers requisite for driving these parts used to be the > justification of cost. People forgot the underlying realities, not the > actual cost of the production models themselves--but the tooling necessary > for manufacture of the devices and the cost versus sales requisite to > recouping the initial cost of development, prototyping, tooling for > manufacture, and costs of setting up distribution and the speed with such > a > small user-base of potential sales, then, the realities of actual sales. > Sure, this drops the cost per unit--if it is possible--and nothing was > said > regarding the nature of the technologies to be used so that someone could > back of the envelope compare with the costs of similar > materials/technologies used, but the figure of 10% of blind and visually > impaired persons between 18-55 who are braille users is in my experience > an > exaggeration. Teachers, counselors, rehabilitators, and young blind > people > fall into the "speech is here available; so, why should I read braille--I > can't afford the physical footprint and cost of hard copy, and with > reduced > revenues--governmental agencies are less willing to purchase current > displays--all of which except for the later wouldn't change with a severe > drop in the cost of the display. After all, who could make enough to > repay > the costs of development, manufacture and distribution costs if the user > base didn't dramatically increase??? > > Let's face it: societies in developed countries are trending toward morbid > obesity, in part a lack of the self-discipline requisite in knowing that > some foods are less healthy than others, but they're fast to acquire, > relatively inexpensive when placed against the time and effort requisite > to > preparing more healthy alternatives--in the perspectives of many folks > overwhelmed with the job of surviving and getting a living. Similarly, > Optacon usage or that of braille takes time, practice, and constant > reinforcement to be done with any amount of efficacy... How will that > change in the minds of blind persons, who are--products of their society's > of origin, as are the educators/trainers of the congenitally and > adventitiously blinded? > > As an "A.D.M.U.P." (Aging Downwardly Mobile Urban Professional), I'm not > willing to expend my hopes or dreams, or beer money on such an undertaking > until I know allot more about it than the constantly reiterated promises > I've heard since the demise of the Optacon, or, the advent of refreshable > braille displays since my first Classic Cassette-based VersaBraille, which > still works except for the batteries... (grin) > > I still have the cassette books I bought for it, the display is still > beautiful despite 7 years of hard use as a portable note taker in Rural > Northwest FL, and around the US and Canada, even though working for a > company who was the nemesis of TSI, and it is a comfort to use it for > everything except the speller or was it a dictionary--when I'm feeling > nostalgic for the glories of my youth as a pioneer in the field of > computer-based adaptive technology... > > I hope; but not very hard or very much... > > -----Original Message----- > From: optacon-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:optacon-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] > On Behalf Of David > Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2014 2:31 PM > To: optacon-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [optacon-l] Re: Orbit Research Group & TBG announce project for > low > cost braille display. > > Well, I kind of wonder the same. Besides, except from the Braille Note > takers, all other Braille displays I have been in touch with personally, > mainly has done only this one function, translating the contents of the > screen into Braille. In that sense, this is no news, and nothing > revolutionizing. What caught my great interest, was the estimated pricing. > If they are able to build a 20cell Braille display for something like 300 > dollars, that would actually revolutionized the market. > > Guess things are pretty in its starting grope at the moment. At least, > that > is what I took from the article. It will be interesting to see, when the > unit is finally hitting the market, what it is like. Let's just hope, they > are able to keep it that low-priced. I mean, likely enough, modern > technology does not cost all that much, so to manufacture the unit for a > low > price, I guess should be possible. The big bottleneck often comes into > existence, when you are to distribute and resell the product. Then, you > see > the resellers grabbing their piece of the cake, and then there is local > taxes, customs fees, some freight costs, someone who wants to earn their > chocolate bar, the dog needs its bone, and your baby wants its bottle. > Smiles. Well, my point is, they did not tell that the 300 dollars would be > the price you and I am going to pay, at the end of the day. If that would > be > the ccase, they must have shortened really down on the costs. Now, lately > we > have seen a Braille typewriter hit the market, all made up of plastics. I > haven't touched it, so cannot speak for its quality. Yet, they could of > course do something similar with the new Braille display - made up of > cheap > parts. > > The other way they could keep this low price, would be in the case when > some > company or cherity sponsors the whole project. But then it will be > interesting to see, if they only sponsor the product, if it is sold to > poor > parts of the world, or if it is meant to be sponsored for everyone. > > Guess we just have to wait and see. For sure, if they are able to launch > this product on the market for that price, it is going to put some > pressure > on the existing manufacturers. And if they do, will the rest of the market > follow custom? Or, are they going to make some new jumps? > Smile. Time will show. > > Still, I wish they had specified a bit more about the product. Like which > features you would get. True, they say it is going to connect via USB and > Bluetooth, but I already have one display that does so. Since it is only > going to have 20cells, I hope they will make it fit in my pocket, making > it > really portable. But then they also need ensure a good, solid > construction. > > Now, we just need have them manufacture a pocket-sized, 300 dollar, > non-interpretting Optacon. Apparently, the willingness and technology is > already there, they just have to see the importance. Smile. > > > David > > On 8/12/2014 8:02 AM, Christine Szostak wrote: >> Hi All, >> Anyone know what makes this different from any other basic braille >> display on the market and so makes it cheaper? That was never >> specified and I am really curious since there are a number of >> dedicated braille displays that do nothing but provide basic braille > feedback in refreshable format. >> Have a wonderful week all! >> Chris >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "C. Pond" <cpond@xxxxxxxxx> >> To: "optacon list" <optacon-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> Sent: Monday, August 11, 2014 3:30 PM >> Subject: [optacon-l] Orbit Research Group & TBG announce project for >> low cost braille display. >> >> >>> Orbit Research and the Transforming Braille >>>> Group Announce Agreement to Produce Low-cost Refreshable Braille >>>> Display >>>> >>>> WILMINGTON, DE â?" August 6, 2015 â?" Orbit Research LLC and the >>>> Transforming Braille Group LLC are pleased to announce an agreement >>>> to produce a low cost, refreshable braille display. >>>> >>>> Orbit, an international engineering company based in Wilmington, >>>> Delaware, specialising in high quality, low cost products for blind >>>> and partially sighted people, will be undertaking the research, >>>> development and manufacture of this unique product. >>>> >>>> The Transforming Braille Group LLC is a global consortium of >>>> organisations of and for the blind which is investing $1m in the >>>> project. >>>> >>>> The objective of the project is to produce a stand-alone 20-cell >>>> refreshable braille display for $300 (or Ã,£200) which will bring >>>> refreshable braille within the reach of children in developing >>>> countries and will provide libraries in developed countries with a >>>> viable alternative to hard copy braille. The product will be >>>> launched at CSUN in 2016. >>>> >>>> The display is designed to work through USB and Bluetooth >>>> connectivity with 'smart' phones and tablets. It is not intended to >>>> compete with high specification refreshable braille display already >>>> on the market, primarily used in education and employment but is >>>> intended to bring braille displayed e-books to a wide audience at an >>>> economical price. >>>> >>>> "The agreement with TBG is a landmark in our journey to develop and >>>> manufacture essential products at an affordable cost through the >>>> application of mainstream technology in unique and innovative >>>> waysââ,¬Â said Dr. Gina Spagnoli, Orbit Researchââ,¬â"¢s Founder. >>>> ââ,¬Å"While each of our previous products has brought a multi-fold >>>> improvement in the state of the art in terms of performance, cost, >>>> size and features, we are thrilled that through this partnership >>>> with TBG, we will be able to offer a game-changing product that will >>>> impact the daily lives of millions of blind people across the >>>> worldââ,¬Â >>>> >>>> TBG President, Kevin Carey said: "At last we have a technology which >>>> will guarantee the survival of braille. It has been my >>>> long-standing, publicly stated objective to find a disruptive >>>> technology which will radically force down the cost of refreshable >>>> braille so that the world's digital content becomes available in a >>>> tactile format. This new device will bring braille within the price >>>> range of educators in developing countries and will enable most >>>> blind people to access e-books and other internet material without >>>> resorting to specialist libraries." >>>> >>>> TBG estimates that its new product will retail at a unit cost less >>>> than 20% of the current market price. >>>> >>>> Contact details: >>>> Kevin Carey, President, >>>> Transforming Braille Group LLC >>>> Tel: +44(0)1273 834321 >>>> Email: <mailto:humanity@xxxxxxxxxxx>humanity@xxxxxxxxxxx >>>> www.Transformingbraille.org (under construction) >>>> >>>> Carla Morris >>>> Orbit Research LLC >>>> Tel: 1-888-606-7248 >>>> Email: >>>> <mailto:morris.carla@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>morris.carla@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>> m >>>> www.orbitresearch.com >>>> >>> David Andrews and long white cane Harry. >>> E-Mail: dandrews@xxxxxxxx or david.andrews@xxxxxxxxxx >>> _______________________________________________ >>> napub mailing list >>> napub@xxxxxxxxxx >>> >>> to view the list archives, go to: >>> >>> www.freelists.org/archives/optacon-l >>> >>> To unsubscribe at any time, just send a message to: >>> >>> optacon-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" (without >>> the >>> quotes) in the message subject. >>> >>> Tell your friends about the list. 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