Ah...Terracaching...a different version of the game. Doing a quick search on the Geocaching forums will yield you a lot of discussion about it. I am not a big proponent of it because of the ever-present implied superiority of "their" caches and cachers over Geocaching.com's...among other reasons. There's also not very many to find...at least in my area...and I have found a couple already. There are *12* total (regular, virtual, etc.) caches in a 100-mile radius of me. Here's the latest thread discussing it: http://forums.groundspeak.com/GC/index.php?showtopic=191873 Instead of typing out all of my points again, I will just reproduce what I said there.... "The only thing I hate in the whole terracaching/geocaching debate is that terracaching proponents constantly espouse the whole idea that their caches are of a better quality than those found on GC.com. The quality of the hide resides in the cache placer. No matter how caches may be voted upon, average caches still reside. To me, quality caches use a unique container, a good location or both. Most of my finds have met some or all of those requirements. I do realize everyone's mileage might vary in this regard, but to say that one site's caches are consistently better than others is hogwash. I have done caches on the terracaching site and they were similar to geocaches that were placed in the area. Many are actually piggybacked with geocaches...in some cases merely feet away. So where's the "quality" in them? The whole method to their madness is something I do not prefer at all...it's bad when a cache you might have worked very hard on to be great could get voted to be and eventually archived just because (and it's entirely feasible) people might not like you well. It can be voted on by those that found it and those that have never found it. Some might call it democratic...I call it dangerous. Some might say a long hike makes a cache a higher quality. I don't think so. One of the best caches I have ever done requires a 100-150 yard walk to one of the best views in my area. It's breathtaking. Is the view there somehow diminished because I didn't hike five miles to get to it? I think a big draw is that some caches that are no longer allowed here are allowed there, like the locationless and the virtual caches. I love virtual caches but that's not enough of a draw for me. So...I'll grant the terracaching website is another place to find caches, but it's in no way better than what we have here." ----- Original Message ---- From: Eric East <christianherper@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, June 3, 2008 8:58:50 PM Subject: [GeoStL] Terracaching Have any of you heard of this? I was unaware of it until I read a log on one of the MOGA 08 caches saying that there as a terracache nearby. I checked out the site, but it says you have to have 2 sponsers to even be able to play. Eric