Mike, I sent an email to the person who placed those four new caches telling him to recheck his coordinates. I also posted notes on two of the cache pages where I am positive the coords are wrong. One shows actually being in Emmenegger but I wouldn't trust the posted coords based on his other efforts. I'm not familiar enough with the area north of Hwy 40 for the 4th one to make a judgement. He has not responded to my email as of this morning. As far as maximum time allowed for a cache that hasn't been found, I think 6 months has been the norm that I have seen. They do have cycles--a burst of activity when they are first placed, then a slow down after everyone finds them, then a slow pickup as new geocachers come into play. I believe almost all of the SLAGA placers would respond if several "no finds" were logged. Larry(MrB)