[GeoStL] Re: Can I Log this as a Find?
- From: "Jim Bensman" <jbensman1@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 11:37:30 -0600
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If people are going to be dishonest, they are going to be dishonest.
CCCooperagency was logging virtual caches (with answers that could be found
on the Internet) in different countries and states on the same day. We are
never going to stop people who will cheat.
What we are talking about is honest cachers, so we should just deal with
honest cachers. You are right, if they don't sign it, you will never have a
way to know for sure. I trust people to be honest. I've had 1749 logged
finds of my caches and I only know of one time when I think a person
cheated.
I've been to situations where the caches are placed in very public places
where it is hard to get them without giving away the location. I remember
one in Forest Park (by the Jewel House) that was in a tree. I saw the
container, but someone was laying right by it.
If it is not a big deal to come back when you can sign it, you should. But
if it is a long distance or hard to get to, I see no problem with logging it
if you actually spot the container. If people feel they have to sign the
log, it would encourage people to sign it when signing it would expose its
location.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Mike Griffin
> Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 8:48 AM
> To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [GeoStL] Re: Can I Log this as a Find?
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> -
> By this login you could have people logging caches that they thought they
> saw when in actuality it was never near. I think that an honest person
> wouldn't do this but you would find those that feel because it is
> too muddy,
> too high to climb, too far to reach they would just log it as if
> someone was
> around. You will also have those who are in a crowded area log it and say
> the park was full of people. There is no way to ever know if they truly
> found the cache.
>
> I have been in crowded places where I needed to be very discreet. I think
> that that is part of the challenge. To remove this would jeopardize the
> integrity of the game. I do not condone putting oneself in a dangerous
> situation but I feel that you could return with someone to finish
> the cache.
>
> Just my 2 cents
>
> Mike
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Bensman" <jbensman1@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 10:09 AM
> Subject: [GeoStL] Re: Can I Log this as a Find?
>
>
> > -
> > IMHO, if you found it (and you did) you should log it. I'd rather have
> > someone do what you did than to log it and show others where
> the cache is.
> > A principle that you actually have to sign the log when people
> are in the
> > area would encourage people not to be discrete in such situations.
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > [mailto:geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Michael Chambers
> > > Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 12:48 AM
> > > To: SLAGA Geocaching List
> > > Subject: [GeoStL] Can I Log this as a Find?
> > >
> > >
> > > -
> > > Being a relative newbie, I'd like to get the groups opinion on whether
> > > or not to claim a find I made today. Here's the situation.
> > >
> > > I searched out a geocache in a popular St. Louis park this
> afternoon. I
> > > found the cache. I saw it from where I was standing, but I did not
> > > approach it closely, or do anything to reveal its existence. As I got
> > > to this point (way down inside an enclosed area - with no easy escape
> > > route), I was approached by a guy who I saw follow me to this
> location.
> > > I was by myself, and he got way too close for my liking, so I
> > > immediately got out of there. This other guy went back to a pavilion
> > > that he had come from, that was close by.
> > >
> > > As I was leaving, I observed a couple of other guys go to the same
> > > location. Being curious, I watched to see if they were
> heading for the
> > > geocache. They did not, but they did go into the same
> remote, enclosed
> > > area. Not being that curious, I didn't stick around any more to see
> > > what they were up to. I had a pretty good idea.
> > >
> > > This evening, I asked my brother (a St. Louis City P.D. sex crimes
> > > detective) about this cache site, and he confirmed that this is a very
> > > popular meeting place for some members of the gay community. He said
> > > the guy who followed me was probably looking for a date.
> > >
> > > Now my dilemma. I need the group to let me know if I can
> properly log
> > > this as a find or not. I did find the cache, which is what the whole
> > > point is all about, but I did not open it, or log an entry in
> the cache
> > > log. I feel I should be able to claim this as a find, but not unless
> > > you all approve. I really don't want to go back there, and I
> think that
> > > the cache owner probably ought to move it to another, less popular
> > > location. I'll contact that person separately with this information.
> > > At the very least, this is not a comfortable location to be alone in,
> > > and in fact it could be dangerous.
> > >
> > > Now, a quick disclaimer. I'm certainly NOT gay bashing, and I'm not
> > > trying to imply that gays are someone to be afraid of. Quite the
> > > contrary. A very close member of our family was gay, and
> died of AIDS.
> > > I just think that this is not a very safe location for a geocache.
> > >
> > > Thank you very much for your opinion on this,
> > > Leanman
> > >
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