[bksvol-discuss] Re: I don't know what to think about things right now
- From: "Andy B." <sonfire11@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 11:37:26 -0400
But, like was said earlier, the contract says that they have to take down
any books we do because the publisher wants theirs to be the final
version/copy.
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[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of solsticesinger
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 2:41 AM
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Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: I don't know what to think about things right
now
There may be a way of letting publishers know which books are already in the
collection, but, for some reason, bookshare staff seems either unwilling or
unable to do this. It may have something to do with not knowing which books
the publishers are going to donate, or it may have something to do with the
strange idea that a publisher quality scan is better than a book that has
been scanned and read by a volunteer. Whatever it has to do with, no one
seems able to change it. Instead, we're supposed to simply deal with the
frustration, or, be incredibly selective about what we scan. I don't know
about the rest of you, but I scan things I want to read. So, I don't really
want to wait and see if a publisher might add it one day. At the same time,
I don't want to do a ton of hard work, only to find that it's worthless
because the publisher donated the book.
It would seem that bookshare, as an organization, would have some way of
protecting the work of its volunteers. However, this does not seem to be the
case, and, as a volunteer who submits many books to the collection, I feel
very undervalued by this kind of treatment.
Solstice Singer
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From: Chela <mailto:cdrobles693@xxxxxxxxx> Robles
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 9:20 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: I don't know what to think about things right
now
But, there has got to be a way though to let the publishers know that
someone has already done the title where x marks the spot on the book, see?
I won't give up though.
--
"To me, music that breaks your heart is the music that stays with you
forever. It's one thing to be melancholy and one thing to be
sophisticated, but when you get the two of them together in a way
people can relate to, then I think you're on to something. You want
the sophistication to lie in the purity of the sound, the beauty of
the arrangements, and the quality of the performances."-Trumpeter
Chris Botti
--
Chela Robles
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out more go to: http://www.bookshare.org
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On 7/27/2010 6:13 PM, solsticesinger wrote:
It doesn't seem to matter what we say, or how we object. We're just told
that it has to do with the contract that was signed with the publisher. So,
bringing this to anyone's attention seems a bit fruitless. It's a contract.
There's no way to get out of it right now. Everything takes time, and on and
on and on it goes.
Solstice Singer
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From: Chela Robles <mailto:cdrobles693@xxxxxxxxx>
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 8:02 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: I don't know what to think about things right
now
OK then, I'm just saying as a team we should approach whoever is in charge
of rejecting/putting less quality books about our hard effort which pays for
our memberships here, to the person directly, and will that person speak up
or forever hold their peace please? Thank you! Honestly, I've heard a lot of
what is going on here and I hope you all won't take my words offensively, I
was just trying to encourage you all not to go away is all ok, sorry for the
harm hopefully not done yet, I might as well think about stuff like leaving
the two lists here, and I hope my text goes through this time instead of a
blank email. I'm not at all offended just annoyed at the fact I try hard
too, to keep you all calm, but then again, I'm only one person like the rest
of you.
I recently told someone I'd leave the lists for some reasons, but would be
willing to do behind-the-scenes work for Bookshare and if that is the case,
then I will think about bidding you all good-bye. Please let us just try to
convince whoever has been putting our hard efforts asside and placing them
with publisher poor quality books which would have to be redone anyway to
the person directly.
--
"To me, music that breaks your heart is the music that stays with you
forever. It's one thing to be melancholy and one thing to be
sophisticated, but when you get the two of them together in a way
people can relate to, then I think you're on to something. You want
the sophistication to lie in the purity of the sound, the beauty of
the arrangements, and the quality of the performances."-Trumpeter
Chris Botti
--
Chela Robles
AIM and E-Mail: cdrobles693@xxxxxxxxx
Skype: jazzytrumpet
WindowsLive Messenger: cdrobles693@xxxxxxxxxxx
I Volunteer for a non-profit organization called Bookshare, to find
out more go to: http://www.bookshare.org
--
On 7/27/2010 5:45 PM, solsticesinger wrote:
Chela,
What exactly is it that we're supposed to do? Hopefully, not continue to do
good and valuable work, only to have it replaced by a publisher copy that is
very often of poorer quality. I think that's a lot to ask of people.
Certainly, I think bookshare is a valuable organization, and I enjoy
scanning. In fact, many know that it's sort of a zen activity for me.
However, when I see my hard work, as well as the hard work of proofreaders,
discarded because publisher quality books come along, I am discouraged, and,
personally, I think that's a valid feeling. My time is too valuable to be
wasted like this.
In the past several hundred books, I found six of my scans had been replace.
I received no email notices about any of these replacements. If I hadn't
browsed the new books section, I never would have known. So, not only is my
time being wasted, but I'm not even being told that my scan has been
replaced? I find this quite discourteous, to be honest.
So, please define exactly what it is you think we should all do together as
a team. If it's productive, and doesn't cause me to waste my time, I'm happy
to do it, but, if it involves being content with the current state of
affairs, I can not and will not do so.
Solstice Singer
Are you a fan of women's music? If so, join me, each Wednesday evening from
7-10 eastern, for The Eclectic Collection: a Celebration of Women In Music.
Point your media player to:
http://mojoradio.us:9090
----- Original Message -----
From: Chela Robles <mailto:cdrobles693@xxxxxxxxx>
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 1:55 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: I don't know what to think about things right
now
I'm here to encourage not discourage, to urge not fade away, come on guys
you all can do it, I know you can, just takes more effort you dig? I
understand where you all who are complaining are coming from but we
shouldn't quit altogether. We're a team and we work together, so who is with
me, I can't hear you so shout it out loud!
--
"To me, music that breaks your heart is the music that stays with you
forever. It's one thing to be melancholy and one thing to be
sophisticated, but when you get the two of them together in a way
people can relate to, then I think you're on to something. You want
the sophistication to lie in the purity of the sound, the beauty of
the arrangements, and the quality of the performances."-Trumpeter
Chris Botti
--
Chela Robles
AIM and E-Mail: cdrobles693@xxxxxxxxx
Skype: jazzytrumpet
WindowsLive Messenger: cdrobles693@xxxxxxxxxxx
I Volunteer for a non-profit organization called Bookshare, to find
out more go to: http://www.bookshare.org
--
On 7/27/2010 11:43 AM, Larry Lumpkin wrote:
Jamie, Susan and I don't particularly want to leave but neither do we want
our work wasted. I believe that is our right as volunteers. If an
organization is to utilize a pool of volunteers, it is their responsibility
and job to direct them to the tasks they wish them to do. I have directed
volunteer pools several times in my working life and I know this to be the
case.
_____
From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jamie Prater
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 1:06 PM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] I don't know what to think about things right now
Hi, all, I've been following the threads about PQ books versus volunteer
work. I've enjoyed volunteering for Christian fiction and kids' stuff
mostly and because of page numbering issues, I've backed off considerably on
what I volunteer for. Every day for the past several weeks has been like
Christmas looking at and downloading all the new books lately. I'm very,
very sad that this new influx of books is starting to run some top knotch
volunteers away because of publishers' issues. I see both sides of the coin
on these issues but wish all you fantastic volunteers would find a reason to
stay at bookshare. I like books from a Pentecostal Christian standpoint as
far as Christian/nonfiction goes, and I love all kinds of Christian fiction,
classics, and general fiction as well as kids' stuff. Some of the
volunteers who've said they are most likely leaving bookshare are ones who
print some of these kinds of books. I know there are so very many books out
there in the world, and I do wish we could all find a niche and grow
bookshare and everybody can feel like useful and contributing members of
bookshare and society. I had no idea this wonderful growth spurt for
bookshare would run off volunteers and this is a bittersweet pill to swallow
and makes me feel very, very sad. Please folks reconsider before quitting
the wonderful job you're all doing on adding books to the collection. Lori
and Mike in particular, thanks to you, I've got some Jentezen Franklin books
I'd not otherwise have, and this makes me sad to see you and others go.
Thanks and have a blessed day.
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